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. That's how I figured out where all those half charolais calves at my jersey customer came from. :bang
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That's what you wrote. A customer's jerseys. Regardless of what you did with the crossbreed calves you left a dairyman with a hole in his replacement program and a lot of money lost. You or your helper would never set foot back on my place.
 
TexasBred":2yj4vevz said:
. That's how I figured out where all those half charolais calves at my jersey customer came from. :bang
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That's what you wrote. A customer's jerseys. Regardless of what you did with the crossbreed calves you left a dairyman with a hole in his replacement program and a lot of money lost. You or your helper would never set foot back on my place.
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Chill out man, he don't know that there are Charolais straws in that tank and he is not responsible for that one.
 
That particular customer is 94% AI and has an average of 69% heifer calves since nearly all of his heifers are stuck to sorted semen as well as about a quarter of the lactating cows... He sells heifers as fast as we can make them. We're to the point where he's trying to balance beefing older but productive cows, selling the worst heifers as beef, destroying his own market by flooding it with heifers, or buying another dairy... This is on a ten thousand cow dairy.
If that kind of breeding performance is a problem for you, then I guess we can't do business anymore. :lol: I try to stay away from the struggling herds as they like to blame all of their breeding problems on the breeder... In reality it's usually the nutrition. :mrgreen:
 
cow pollinater":2btatxet said:
Vivclavin, my apologies for my part in hyjacking your thread.
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'fraid I'm going to continue the de-rail...
you can't explain your way out of this one cp. Not in my herd, not in TB's herd... I have twice since training up had a relief breeder in and each time decided I wasn't going to do that for that number of cows again - last time was 50 cows that day, I did 18 of them myself, the LIC tech pulled 22 straws of the wrong bull out of my bank and had used all but three when I noticed the error, having herself written up the matings as if they were the correct straws.
Nope, it wasn't your fault. But that tech won't be anywhere near my herd again, and nor would you be.

Now I heard a story of a tech... he'd just started working with an assistant, and the company were hearing glowing reports, these guys are so calm with the cows, great conception rate fantastic fellows. The calves started arriving nine months later and the tech no longer had a job. The pair of them had been stoned the whole time and had bred everything with whatever semen was closest to hand.

Now when LIC start DNA testing calves they tell us 15% have been mismatched. Us farmers get the blame for not knowing which cow droped which calf... the farmers try to pass it back on the cows for swapping calves in the middle of the night. Now I watch my cows fairly closely and believe calf swapping happens but is rare. Dunno why no-one is pointing fingers at the AI technicians?? Or the accuracy of the DNA test itself (which the thread I posted above is discussing).
 
vcalvin,

I had that happen in 2008, I tested everything in the tank and all of the bulls and still never found the sire. We finally just gave up and put a white tag in her ear. I think we finally figured it out, we had two bulls in with the commercial cows, one came up with a broken penis we figured the other bull had injured him in an dispute over one of the cows. But after the calf issue came up I now think maybe he bred the cow over the fence somehow and was injured in the process. He was the only male on the place we didn't get a DNA test on that year trying to figure out who the daddy to the heifer was. We are certain that the bulls never got into the wrong pastures we keep really good records on that happening but the dam of the unknown heifer and the bull were in neighboring pastures during the time she was bred. Anyway good luck finding out who the daddy is.

Gizmom
 
Also somewhat off topic, but a neighbour AI'd his less productive jersey cows to a limousin bull a few years ago, somehow the records got mixed up and at birth it was near impossible to tell the straight jerseys from the jersey X limousin, ended raising a few of those and only saw his mistake as they started to fill out. He now just use hereford bulls on those cows as the calf is unmistakeable
 
Taurus":2ifs8zcw said:
TexasBred":2ifs8zcw said:
. That's how I figured out where all those half charolais calves at my jersey customer came from. :bang
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That's what you wrote. A customer's jerseys. Regardless of what you did with the crossbreed calves you left a dairyman with a hole in his replacement program and a lot of money lost. You or your helper would never set foot back on my place.
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Chill out man, he don't know that there are Charolais straws in that tank and he is not responsible for that one.
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Note the guy got fired. And now that we know it was his replacement that did it then NO he is not responsible I suppose, but If he's as good as he says he is I betcha CP can tell you exactly what is in his tank at any given time. It was a stupid mistake.
 
cow pollinater":35ge8i6n said:
It happens to me all the time on my grade cows as I'll just throw a straw of semen into them if I see them in heat close to the truck...
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Just more evidence to prove my theory. The vet's cows are always sick, the mechanic's truck never runs, the contractor's house is falling down, and now the AI tech's breeding program is just random selection.
 
Mid South Guy":3eiatyew said:
cow pollinater":3eiatyew said:
It happens to me all the time on my grade cows as I'll just throw a straw of semen into them if I see them in heat close to the truck...
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Just more evidence to prove my theory. The vet's cows are always sick, the mechanic's truck never runs, the contractor's house is falling down, and now the AI tech's breeding program is just random selection.
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MSG I guess that's what we get when we hire "EXPERTS" or specialist. :lol2:
 
cow pollinater":35matu7v said:
I try to stay away from the struggling herds as they like to blame all of their breeding problems on the breeder... In reality it's usually the nutrition. :mrgreen:
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You can always blame the farmer or the cow but in reality you cannot prove this statement. You can only pass plame to others. The nutritionist (I assume a 10,000 cow dairy has one on staff) would probably tell you that you're a bubble off plumb. :mrgreen:
 
vclavin":37ov75hr said:
xbred":37ov75hr said:
how about your semen company sold you straws of semen from an unlisted bull... and/or the testing company ain't worth a .....
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I'm waiting for AI tech to call me and tell me what he has in tank that is not Angus... just in case.
Valerie
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Ok, heifer was sequenced and put out with herd bull 702 (DNA says not even close to his or the other bulls dna) and her DNA does not match any AI sire, which is shouldn't since she was not AI'd. Neighbors do not have any cattle. Miracle birth? LOL
Valerie
 
vclavin":3547eqlt said:
vclavin":3547eqlt said:
xbred":3547eqlt said:
how about your semen company sold you straws of semen from an unlisted bull... and/or the testing company ain't worth a .....
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I'm waiting for AI tech to call me and tell me what he has in tank that is not Angus... just in case.
Valerie
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Ok, heifer was sequenced and put out with herd bull 702 (DNA says not even close to his or the other bulls dna) and her DNA does not match any AI sire, which is shouldn't since she was not AI'd. Neighbors do not have any cattle. Miracle birth? LOL
Valerie
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Did the DNA from the dam and calf match up?
 
That's next on my list. DNA for dam and DNA for the dam's new heifer calf this spring season. Should be interesting, the dam (906) is a daughter of Mytty In Focus and one herd bull (704) is also a son of Mytty In Focus... I would have thought the daughter of 906 and therefore neice (kinda) of 704 would have had a few genes alike but DNA states they are in NO WAY close. Weird!
Valerie
 
vclavin":1e6xugae said:
That's next on my list. DNA for dam and DNA for the dam's new heifer calf this spring season. Should be interesting, the dam (906) is a daughter of Mytty In Focus and one herd bull (704) is also a son of Mytty In Focus... I would have thought the daughter of 906 and therefore neice (kinda) of 704 would have had a few genes alike but DNA states they are in NO WAY close. Weird!
Valerie
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Almost sounds like the heifer got switched at birth. I've only seen it happen once, tag two fresh wet calves that you know are right and the next day they are switched around. Makes you scratch your head for a while.
 
Jake":3hlliiw4 said:
vclavin":3hlliiw4 said:
That's next on my list. DNA for dam and DNA for the dam's new heifer calf this spring season. Should be interesting, the dam (906) is a daughter of Mytty In Focus and one herd bull (704) is also a son of Mytty In Focus... I would have thought the daughter of 906 and therefore neice (kinda) of 704 would have had a few genes alike but DNA states they are in NO WAY close. Weird!
Valerie
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Almost sounds like the heifer got switched at birth. I've only seen it happen once, tag two fresh wet calves that you know are right and the next day they are switched around. Makes you scratch your head for a while.
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I wish it were that simple. Guess I just have to see what the DNA on dam and sister say. It'll be a few weeks before I can get the dam and her calf's blood sample and then a week or so before I get that back.. will be interesting.
Valerie
 

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