Unbelievable!

[Jen]

I have never seen anything like it. I had a cow have a set of dead twins. She cleaned fine. Couple days later I brought her in to spike one on her. Put her in the head gate got the calf sucking then my husband gave her a shot of Ace promazine in the rump, I know not the best. We often use this for adoptions. It hit her faster than I have ever seen, didn't think too much of it. Came out the next morning and she was down and couldn't get up. Finally did, but back leg didn't work quite right, the one that received the shot. She got up by herself for the first two days. It has been 4-5 days since this started. I have had her on dexamethasone and pcn for 4 days. Also had to drench her with water and electrolytes Sunday morning. We hung her by her hips yesterday and she was finally eating and drinking a little was looking up. Today much worse. Dehydrated and weak don't think she will make it. Don't know if I should go through the trouble of drenching again. I had an accident and am not able to do much and the husband got hurt tonight and won't be able to help either. Anyone seen anything like this before. of couse a good cow.
Thanks,
Jen

 

[fourstates]

Everything you said is wrong with that cow is listed as adverse reactions for acepromazine. I have never heard of tranquilizing a cow to take a calf. Besides damaging the rump cut of meat, you risk hitting the sciatic nerve, causing severe pain and damage. Live and learn.

 

[hillsdown]

What and why in the world??????

Your post should be "unbelievably stupid"; sorry, but that is the truth.

Wrong spot , wrong drug and wrong reason.

Now you have lost a cow and calves.

Also how in the world do you have such easy access to a tranquilizer ?

No wonder it is becoming harder and harder to buy any drugs to use without a vets supervision. :roll: :roll:

I hope your cow pulls through and you can learn from this experience with a good ending, I am assuming both of your injuries are also due to stupidity and handling cattle??

 

[ND Angus]

I agree with hillsdown

 

[Alice]

Definitely wrong spot...

Alice

 

[angie1]

Wrong spot is the understatment of the year Alice. ;-)

 

[Jen]

I know that was the wrong spot, but I wouldn't have done it there. Can't reverse what was already done. Can't believe you haven't heard of using tranq for adopting. Alot of people around here use it. Guess the vets seem to think okay as they do sell it to us. Just wanted to let others know so they don't make the same mistake.

 

[angie1]

Where is "here"? Where is this a common practice?
I have never heard of such a thing.
Yes, you can bet others will not be making the same mistake.

Good luck with your cow.

 

[Jen]

I don't know how many of you will see this last post. My internet quit working after the last one and I didn't address the issue of the injuries. I just want you to know that I am blessed to even be here yet. The accident had nothing to do with cattle and was a very terrible event. That is what it was, a true accident. No one is to blame, but I am grateful that the Lord allowed me to pull through. I spent a lot of time in the hospital and numerous surgeries. I don't care to go into much detail; but would like you to know that stupidity played a part in the cow, but not the accident. Would hate for that assumption to continue. Yes, definately a bad deal with the cow, but live and learn; and now there is a good reason for them to believe me when I stress putting stuff in the neck around here. Thanks for the other comments.

 

[HAY MAKER]

Jen,you come across as nonchalant in regards to your cattle killing ordeal,I wish there was a way we could keep folks like you and yours out of the cattle business.

 

[dun]

I'm still curious where "here" is that tranqing cows is so common.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I'm still curious where "here" is that tranqing cows is so common.

I am with you, and we do have a grand prize winner in the grafting competition.

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

Wow - little harsh!! Sure, they didn't do things right, but, let's face it - we all screw up now & then - and most of the time it's because we didn't know any better. Let's not hang her - she just learned an expensive lesson.
Jen, I actually thought giving a little Ace was kind of a unicque method of grafting, unusual, but possibly workable - but you can just squit it under their tongue - or you can put it on their feed.
And, we can't even think about blaming her on the dead twins - I have had my share of them and I would never think I KILLED THEM!! :shock:

 

[TexasBred]

Agree with Jeanne.....nobody is born an expert. Heck I remember a young man went to work on the dairy and we brought in a load of springing heifers. Started running them thru the chute vaccinating, worming, etc and found out latter he had given everyone a shot of lutelyse....well you know what happened.... Blamed myself for not explaining to him the "WHY" of everything we used and why we used it as well as supervising what he was doing.

Now all you that condemn so quickly tell me you never blew it just once.

 

[TexasBred]

Agree with Jeanne.....nobody is born an expert. Heck I remember a young man went to work on the dairy and we brought in a load of springing heifers. Started running them thru the chute vaccinating, worming, etc and found out latter he had given everyone a shot of lutelyse....well you know what happened.... Blamed myself for not explaining to him the "WHY" of everything we used and why we used it as well as supervising what he was doing.

Now all you that condemn so quickly tell me you never blew it just once.

I have blown it more than once. However, I have never killed any animals doing it. Secondly, if that feller you hired could not read the label he dont need to be working for ya. I would have been stark raving mad. If it was me I would have made him pay me for everyone of those calves. That is just me though. Aint no better lesson than hitting someone in the wallet and that is just what has happened to this Jen. Now she has two dead calves (not her fault) and possibly a dead cow. If you get hit in the wallet like that it will really wake you up. I deduce that she will be more careful next time.

TN that's all good in theory but all he had to do was quit and leave and I get nothing. The young man is now a very very good dairyman. He felt as badly about it as I did and there was no need to kick him while he was down, let alone rob him of two years wages. If anything I deserved the kicking for "assuming". I've killed several cows....administered CMPK too rapidly...dead....shock from injections.....dead.....all myfault.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Anybody on here that an't done something stupid? ACE is a pretty common drug on the show circuit. I don't no of any body that would admit that but its there. Am not really a show person myself but have seen it done quit a bit. On any other cow proably would not have a problem. Not a drug i ever use.

 

[Alan]

By the way Jen, welcome to the boards . As you can see by now you have to be careful about how much info you give out. The ace to the neck sub-Q may have worked as well, but it sounds like a reaction to the ace. I'm with Jeanne and texasbred with this ..... live and learn. As far as this board goes, it's a great place to learn and get info, but it also has its share of nuts, jerks and self proclaimed experts who don't own cattle, as well and very knowledgable cattle folk. You just need to learn who who is, look at the date of when the person joined, not so much how many post they have, it's easy to run up 1154 post in a couple of months. I think of it as the survival rule, they have been through alot of stuff on these boards and lasted because of their knowledge,.... there are exceptions to the rule, such as myself, I try inot to give out too much advice about cattle because I still have so much to learn.

Anyway I think my point has been made. Welcome and don't let the experience ruin the boards for you.

Alan

 

[rockridgecattle]

there are other methods to graft a calf on to a cow. Tranq is one i guess, but a cow should never be left alone while under the influence of this medication. I have never heard of Ace befor and doubt our vet would readily sell it. Correction, she does. I have a bottle of it. But we have only used it in extrememly excitable animals.
for example a cow tryng to maul her calf. This allows you to get her in the head gate and get the calf to suck. Use no more than 2x
For example, you got an exciteable bull in the head gate and you have to do dental work on the bull
I think it's like 8cc for 1200# animal. How much did you use?

In the butt is never a good idea.

 

[Jen]

Thank you Alan. I guess I will be a little more careful. I was looking to educate others so they wouldn't make such a stupid mistake. I too don't like to give much advice as I am always learning something new. As far as being nonchalant about things. I do take everything seriously, but if I was to get in a tizzy about everything that goes wrong, I would go crazy. It sounds harsh, but there are just some battles that can't be won and you can't get worked up about it especially when we have so many cows (700+). Thanks for the all the advice. Used only 5cc and she is a about a 1300# cow. Jeanne if you ever have a little high strung cow or one that is tough to deal with, definately try the ace. They get a little droppy the calf sucks and when they wake up fully they think "wow, I had a calf this is great" Of course doesn't work 100%, but can be really good at times.

 

[HAY MAKER]

I dont care how rank a greenhorn you are,if you dont know what you are doing,find someone that does...............watch and learn,BEFOREyou kill a cow ,not after,sounds like you injected ace into an artery .
I have never accidentally killed any animal,killed my share on purpose but not accidentally you folks that are consoling Jen arent doing her any good,she dont need consoling she needs reprimanding.
good luck