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inyati13

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Tired of the sulfur debate. Kathie's suicide story caused me to recall this.

It was December 2008, Denver, CO. My close friend’s father had committed suicide. The victim was a 72 year old male who was living estranged from his spouse at the time. The spouse was living with her daughter. The victim had shot himself in the home. The mail carrier who delivered to the door noticed the mail had not been picked up for three days so he notified the police who entered the home and found the victim.

I went to the daughters home the day after the widow was notified of the suicide. The daughter asked if I would enter the house, conduct a room to room search, look at the area where the victim shot himself and help them decide how to proceed and what needed to be done before the house could be occupied. I ask if they had a police report. They did and the daughter gave it to me. That night I read the police report. The victim had gone into his office, laid back down on the floor and used a Ruger .357 Magnum Security Six double action revolver to deliver a single shot under the jaw. The bullet passed through the mouth, into the floor of the brain cavity and exited the top of the head. The bullet was found lodged in the partition wall which the top of his head was resting against.

The only odd detail was this: there were two fired chambers and four live rounds in the remaining chambers of the six chambered cylinder. The police had specifically ask the widow if the victim had ever fired the gun. She said absolutely not. When she left him due to a domestic quarrel, the gun had never been removed from the home and was in its original box. The police had retained the firearm.

The next morning was cold and there had been a light snow. The widow had given me the keys. The house was a modest 1950s style in a SW Denver suburb. I opened the storm door and unlocked the front door. The door entered into the living room. It was dark and there was a bad odor. Before going to the room where the victim had committed suicide, I walked all the rooms on the first floor. The house was not well kept and was depressing. The odor was strong. The body had laid in the house for three days.

I entered the office where he had shot himself. The first thing my eyes picked up was a large dried puddle of blood. He had pulled a rug out of the hallway and laid on it before pulling the trigger. I pulled the rug back and the blood had gone through the rug and saturated the carpet. He was an extremely large man. I had seen his shoes in his bedroom and they were big enough that I could use them as over-shoes. I looked in the closet and there was a box of ammunition. It was .357 Magnum ammunition and 6 rounds had been removed from the box. I decided to roll the rug up and take it out to the garage. It was heavy with the dried blood. I came back to the room and looked for anything that might need to be removed that would be a source of anxiety to the family. There were some letters and pictures that he must have been reviewing before he shot himself. I put them in a box and placed the box in the closet.

I went downstairs. The stairway was off of the kitchen. I went down a narrow dark stairway. It opened into a poorly finished living room. Just beyond the living room was a small room where the widow kept collectibles. There were a number of Fenton Glass collectibles. I noticed that there were several in a row that were broken. I looked closer. I looked at the wall between the storage room and the living room and I saw a bullet hole. I went back into the living room and saw the entry hole. I lined the two holes up and projected the angle of entry. The bullet had been fired from half way up the stairway.

The victim had never fired the gun. When he decided to execute the suicide. He removed the new gun from the box. Loaded all six chambers of the revolver. He walked through the kitchen, went halfway down the stairs, pointed the gun at the wall of the living room and fired the first chamber. The bullet went through the partition wall and broke several pieces of Fenton Glassware on the far side. Satisfied that the gun operated, he went up stairs, laid down on the rug he had removed from the hallway and shot himself.

I informed the widow and daughter that they should not enter the house until professional cleaning of the office room and purging the house.
 
That's terrible to have to see. I have been through it first hand. Sure makes you wonder why, I ask myself this almost every day.
 
An elderly lady at our church hadn't been heard form in 3 or 4 days. She was in her early 90's at the time. Her niece called me from out of town to go check on her. I called one of friends to go with me. Her car was in the driveway, and looked like it hadn't been moved in several days. Her newspaper was delivered to her porch, and several were piled up. We knocked on all the windows and doors, and got no response. We finally made the decision to kick in the door. We searched the whole house looking for her. As we exited the house, she rolled down the driveway in a brand new Cadillac, and cussed us like a wounded sailor for tearing up her door--------Evidently not all stories end too bad.
 
Bigfoot":v3l55zew said:
An elderly lady at our church hadn't been heard form in 3 or 4 days. She was in her early 90's at the time. Her niece called me from out of town to go check on her. I called one of friends to go with me. Her car was in the driveway, and looked like it hadn't been moved in several days. Her newspaper was delivered to her porch, and several were piled up. We knocked on all the windows and doors, and got no response. We finally made the decision to kick in the door. We searched the whole house looking for her. As we exited the house, she rolled down the driveway in a brand new Cadillac, and cussed us like a wounded sailor for tearing up her door--------Evidently not all stories end too bad.
Would loved to have had that ending w/ my story, Bigfoot! Inyati13, that was very good detective work on your part. I got a message from the detective on my sad story tonight; she promised to call with more info soon. Nobody believes the story as it's getting told -- nobody.
 
Kathie in Thorp":1oswhxer said:
Bigfoot":1oswhxer said:
An elderly lady at our church hadn't been heard form in 3 or 4 days. She was in her early 90's at the time. Her niece called me from out of town to go check on her. I called one of friends to go with me. Her car was in the driveway, and looked like it hadn't been moved in several days. Her newspaper was delivered to her porch, and several were piled up. We knocked on all the windows and doors, and got no response. We finally made the decision to kick in the door. We searched the whole house looking for her. As we exited the house, she rolled down the driveway in a brand new Cadillac, and cussed us like a wounded sailor for tearing up her door--------Evidently not all stories end too bad.
Would loved to have had that ending w/ my story, Bigfoot! Inyati13, that was very good detective work on your part. I got a message from the detective on my sad story tonight; she promised to call with more info soon. Nobody believes the story as it's getting told -- nobody.
Kathie unfortunately we don't know what's going on in someones mind at the time, it makes no sense to us as we are not in that mind set, depression does strange things to people, my step-son had a bad bout of depression and tried to cut his wrist I caught him before he could do it, and he was the last person I would have thought to have tried to kill himself, sometimes it is a cry for help that goes wrong, others they use a method that they know will go right. It's sad when thing like this happen but that's life, we never know when a curve ball will come and knock us for six.
 
Just a tidbit more:

Before the professional cleaners came in, I returned to the house and removed some valuables. The widow said to check the office room because she was sure that her husband kept cash in the room. The daughter and I went to the house. The daughter would not go in. In the office room, I found a cash pouch. I saw it contained cash. I didn't remove anything and never attempted to count it. I placed it at the entry to the room to take to the daughter. I also found folders of broker statements. They went back to the late 90s. As I studied them, it was apparent that he was actively trading and that his balance had decreased significantly. In fact, he had lost a couple hundred thousand dollars of their retirement savings by aggressive, short term stock trading.

I handed the items to the daughter who was waiting in the car. I explained to her that her father had lost a lot of money investing. She said they were aware that he had invested poorly but her dad never told anyone what he was doing.

Turns out there was about $9,000.00 in the pouch. The widow ask me to figure out his investments. The widow was a Mexican lady who was raised in Chihuahua, Mexico. She was a hard working woman who had raised their three children in an abusive household. She was not aware of where he had their money. It took her a year or more to figure out what she had.

The cleaners came in, took up the carpet, and used industrial fans to purge the house. The widow still was unable to occupy the house, so the daughter had a contractor remodel the home. The widow moved back in and stayed about a year before moving to Nevada to live with her son. She became depressed and suffered anxiety. The daughter recently informed me her mother had passed away at the age of 72. The same age her spouse had shot himself.
 
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It's not just long bouts of depression that can cause changes in demeanor and life.
Usually in elderly, sudden onset of dementia and it's related symptoms can happen at any time.
From West Texas, I went home to East Texas for Christmas 2005, spent a week with my father and it was the best Christmas I can recall. Dad and I walked his property, he told me how he'd done this or that, what he hoped it would turn into, we visited every one of his old buddies and ate in every cafe and restaurant in the county. I showed him where I wanted to build a house and he agreed it would be a good location. He was always a kind and gentle man, tho he could be stern if one of his kids messed up. Good times that Christmas!!
Less than 2 weeks later, I got a call from my sister. Dad, had "snapped". Out of the clear blue, he became violent, threatened his best friend with a cane, broke every glass object in reach, then sat down with stroke like symptoms. A few minutes later, when the paramedics arrived, he again went bananas and had to be restrained. I arrived that night, found him in the hospital, and the diagnosis the next day was dementia. It was a symptom of other problems--vascular in nature and irreversible. He went from perfectly normal to nuts in just a few minutes, talked of suicide in the coming weeks, and then would have periods of normalcy, but within a year, he was gone. His old heart just gave out--he was 87, but rapid onset dementia can happen at any age, and without warning to those around them..
 
That is sad but I might have a different view on suicide than most. Guy I know found himself betrayed in the worst way. In an odd way the best thing for his family was his death - or as he may have seen it. He put a gun pistol to his head and pulled the trigger and fell to the ground. His wife ran across the field to tend to him and he got up pointed the pistol at his chest and pulled the trigger again and he fell dead. He was a tough bird for sure and had overcome a lot of adversity in his life but this betrayal was more than he could bare.
 

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