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<blockquote data-quote="TedH71" data-source="post: 474292" data-attributes="member: 3233"><p>To be honest, lots of catahoula folks use BB pellets to get their dogs to call off because simply it's the best way for them to teach their dogs because catahoulas are used often on very feral cattle and catahoula people value the hardheadness that the catahoula breed can possess. Many times, the dog is working the cattle so intensely that they simply can't hear the commands and need a physical reminder. Quite dangerous to walk up to a bunch of feral cattle trying to kill your dog and try to tell your dog to come off. Many times I think that the cattle aren't settled in yet and the dog keeps pushing the cattle..those dogs need a reminder to be more gentle then bb pellets might be a good choice IF you're a decent shot. I wonder if a vibrating collar might work better?</p><p></p><p>That is why I know of some catahoula people switching over to blue lacys because they are far less hard headed and listen quite readily plus you don't really have to emphasize that you're the alpha like you have to with catahoulas. I've had many catahoulas..only have had one blue lacy and am so impressed that I will more than likely always keep around a blue lacy or two. Catahoulas are good for hog hunting for the most part due to their hardheadness.</p><p></p><p>When hog hunters are talking about too much handle...what they really mean is that the dog prefers to stay close to the hunter than RANGE out and find. I sometimes wonder if that was true with some of my dogs. Not so with my blue lacy and my catahoula who is staying at a friend's place in Texas due to his extreme stubborness and refusal to leave my fiancee's deaf/blind dog alone.</p><p></p><p>Was told this by an old timer whose family has bred catahoulas for over 5 or 6 generations. They culled really hard and nobody does this culling that much anymore. I know of maybe 1 or 2 who still follow this method of culling. Breed a working female catahoula to a working male catahoula. Let the mother give birth. Cull any pups with excessive whites. Let the pups grow up. Do minimal training. When they're of age (not sure what age but I'm speculating less than a year old) take them to the woods and let them go and find cattle. Cull the ones that don't do anything. Next cull is when you cull the pups that call off easily. Cull the ones that quit working. Let the remaining pups work the cattle then take them home. It was rather easy to get from 18 pups (catahoulas can and often will throw large litters) to maybe 2 or 3 pups. Then you worked with the remaining pups to enhance their potential. He said back then in Louisiana, a dog had to really earn his keep or else the dog was put down immediately. His friends and relatives were hanging around and all of them nodded their heads and said they still did those methods...but some didn't because they didn't need that excessive hardheadness, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TedH71, post: 474292, member: 3233"] To be honest, lots of catahoula folks use BB pellets to get their dogs to call off because simply it's the best way for them to teach their dogs because catahoulas are used often on very feral cattle and catahoula people value the hardheadness that the catahoula breed can possess. Many times, the dog is working the cattle so intensely that they simply can't hear the commands and need a physical reminder. Quite dangerous to walk up to a bunch of feral cattle trying to kill your dog and try to tell your dog to come off. Many times I think that the cattle aren't settled in yet and the dog keeps pushing the cattle..those dogs need a reminder to be more gentle then bb pellets might be a good choice IF you're a decent shot. I wonder if a vibrating collar might work better? That is why I know of some catahoula people switching over to blue lacys because they are far less hard headed and listen quite readily plus you don't really have to emphasize that you're the alpha like you have to with catahoulas. I've had many catahoulas..only have had one blue lacy and am so impressed that I will more than likely always keep around a blue lacy or two. Catahoulas are good for hog hunting for the most part due to their hardheadness. When hog hunters are talking about too much handle...what they really mean is that the dog prefers to stay close to the hunter than RANGE out and find. I sometimes wonder if that was true with some of my dogs. Not so with my blue lacy and my catahoula who is staying at a friend's place in Texas due to his extreme stubborness and refusal to leave my fiancee's deaf/blind dog alone. Was told this by an old timer whose family has bred catahoulas for over 5 or 6 generations. They culled really hard and nobody does this culling that much anymore. I know of maybe 1 or 2 who still follow this method of culling. Breed a working female catahoula to a working male catahoula. Let the mother give birth. Cull any pups with excessive whites. Let the pups grow up. Do minimal training. When they're of age (not sure what age but I'm speculating less than a year old) take them to the woods and let them go and find cattle. Cull the ones that don't do anything. Next cull is when you cull the pups that call off easily. Cull the ones that quit working. Let the remaining pups work the cattle then take them home. It was rather easy to get from 18 pups (catahoulas can and often will throw large litters) to maybe 2 or 3 pups. Then you worked with the remaining pups to enhance their potential. He said back then in Louisiana, a dog had to really earn his keep or else the dog was put down immediately. His friends and relatives were hanging around and all of them nodded their heads and said they still did those methods...but some didn't because they didn't need that excessive hardheadness, etc. [/QUOTE]
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