SEC
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How many people can say they have used a bull that is different in pedigree and that most people wouldn't have heard of or used a bull out of that line?
Trailblazers
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I have and will again use a bull with a different or unknown pedigree. However, I do try to stay away from certain lines. I do not use the popular pedigree unless it is dam good. Alot of the popular lines are really not that good. I bought a bull this spring that has a pedigree that is relatively unkown. But I do not look for or chase outcrosses in the breed, just good ones. I think that if you are using the popular lines you are always following someone, I would rather try to lead.
SEC
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I hear you BRG. Lots of breeders would like an outcross something different, yet nobody will try it unless someone else seems to be already sampling. I love looking for something a little off the wall.
I'd like to express my gratitude to you guys for using those unknown bulls. When you prove them (or not), I'll look at using them, or not. As a smaller breeder, I can't take the hit on heifers that comes with an unknown sire. So, and I'm not kidding here, I do appreciate that you're willing to try them out.
ALACOWMAN
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all part of the angus conspiracy. look over the good ones too chase names and numbers without looking at the animal overallFrankie":1foa0s3r said:
My vote would go with the Canadians on the board.
I know they must have some of the same silly breeders politics up there as down here, but, I sure like the looks of most of those bulls I see on here from up there, and it sure looks to me like there are a number of them that have pretty distinct lines of cattle.
I think I will have to look North for some bulls.
mtnman
I know they must have some of the same silly breeders politics up there as down here, but, I sure like the looks of most of those bulls I see on here from up there, and it sure looks to me like there are a number of them that have pretty distinct lines of cattle.
I think I will have to look North for some bulls.
mtnman
Rustler9
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We have bulls that have some well known bulls in their pedigree but I won't hesitate to use one that isn't well known if I like his looks and I think he can produce certain traits in my calves. Of course the original question was probably more aimed at main stream breeds and our is Longhorn. :cboy:
Well lets see, we have only two descendants of 036 in our Angus herd, our herd bulls are by Ram Time, Structure, and a Fame great grand son and we have two descendants of EXT way back.
The reds have one close descendant of King Rob, No Lancer, No Cherokee. Heavy in Rambler descendants with one Rambler son, one Golden Boy descendant and one five generations back to Heavenly. We will likely keep a herd bull that is a LCB Hoss x Geis Prime Rib, so I guess our herd would also be kind of an out cross to todays popular bloodlines.
The reds have one close descendant of King Rob, No Lancer, No Cherokee. Heavy in Rambler descendants with one Rambler son, one Golden Boy descendant and one five generations back to Heavenly. We will likely keep a herd bull that is a LCB Hoss x Geis Prime Rib, so I guess our herd would also be kind of an out cross to todays popular bloodlines.
A friend of mine owns a bull that came out of a program in South Dakota that is not that well known in the longhorn industry, although he has some pretty awesome animals. The ranch has sent one of our better cows down to get bred to this bull, and I have personally bought one of his daughters (or will at weaning). He is a really nice bull, and since he is not closely related to any of our animals, I believe he will be a good cross.
Ryan
Ryan
SEC
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Thank you for your replies.
Mtnman, thank you for your words of appreciation. The point of the post was not to brag of the different genetics we have but rather see who has big enough balls to go out on a cliff on their own.
Mtnman, thank you for your words of appreciation. The point of the post was not to brag of the different genetics we have but rather see who has big enough balls to go out on a cliff on their own.
I didn't take it as bragging at all, SEC.
Not many down here have the balls to do it.
I think it is primarily because they have sunk too much investment money into overvalued cows, so they MUST play the same game to ever have hope of recoving the costs. Problem is, they are not innovators, they cannot get their money back. So, they spend more hoping to attract enough attention to their new program to recover costs, that ploy is unfortunately working for some of them.
mtnman
Not many down here have the balls to do it.
I think it is primarily because they have sunk too much investment money into overvalued cows, so they MUST play the same game to ever have hope of recoving the costs. Problem is, they are not innovators, they cannot get their money back. So, they spend more hoping to attract enough attention to their new program to recover costs, that ploy is unfortunately working for some of them.
mtnman
I wasn't trying to brag, rather just pointing out pedigrees that are not the norm at this time. If I use an obscure bull, I need to know the breeder and see the mother. We used Traveler 011 on heifers last year. I don't care for the flat muscle carcass bulls that are popular today. We used Romeo (RA) and regret that every time I go to check cows, I won't use the popular bull just because he is popular again.
ALACOWMAN
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That's because they are plenty of willing souls wanting to play the same game.mtnman":2fw1qi2x said:
SEC
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Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't think that a person shouldn't play the game a little. But I don't know why there aren't more people retaining some of their own genetics and developing a line that would be different over many years. This takes time but surely it's worth it's weight in genetic gold.
