Tractor problem, hmmm

[Dusty Britches]

We have a Zetor 6211 that has given us heck in repairs since we got it. Here's our latest issue. Can you give me an idea what it might be?

Since we bought it, it grinds every time we change gears. Everyone says it is no big deal and 2 months ago we had it at the dealer for a full check. They said it was in great shape.

Last night, while moving some bales, I slid it out of 2nd gear, but couldn't move it to the left to put it up into reverse. It was like it was hitting a wall. Then I figured that I'd just put it back into 2nd to see if maybe that would help. Back into 2nd gear, the tractor wouldn't move at all, but acted like it was trying to pull a tree out of the ground and it almost died. I took it back out of gear into neutral. Tried everything again, nothing changed.

Then I put the throttle way up to 3000 rpm and heard/ felt something bump. I then could easily move into reverse and forward like there wasn't any problem. I finished moving and feeding hay without incident.

My gut feeling is this is something serious and the tranny is going out.

What do y'all think?

 

[flaboy?]

Most tractors that I am familiar with do not use a syncronized transmission. This means you will get grinding between gears unless the mess just at the right time. These tranny's are susceptible to hanging between gears. This means not in one or the other but both sort of. This usually happens to much older well used (like mine) tractors but can happen on others. You can sometimes get them to "jump" out of gear and all is good again. In some cases the tranny top cover needs to be removed and large pry bar used to unlock them. I have gone for years on my old ford with no problem and then last hay season I locked it twice. Hasn't done it since....

Now if you have one of those fancy shuttle shift tractors all bets are off.

 

[Dusty Britches]

Yeah, I think this is an 82 model.

The dealer who we got it from used this line "It has less than 500 hous on it! The guy we got it from had it parked in his barn for years and finally decided he didn't need it. It is like new!" We made them replace all of the hoses, etc. Then we found someone else who also bought a Zetor from him. Same lines. Then we realized that the wires for the hours meter had been cut - for a long time. No telling how many hours are on it.

 

[3MR]

Sounds like an RV I bought once.

 

[cfpinz]

Sounds like it's sticking in two gears at once. Had a Ford Ranger that would do that from time to time. The shift forks were sloppy and would allow two to move at once and bind it in two gears. Had to pull the cover off and take a screwdriver to line up the forks, then keep on trucking. Did it once when I was 15 miles from home, 1/2 mile from a road in the middle of a creekbed on a piece of property I had no business being on. Funny how those things happen. Not to sound like a smartass, but the best thing to do with that tractor in my opinion is to sell it while it's still running. The beating you take now will be nothing compared to the one you take when it ain't running and you can't get parts.

cfpinz

 

[Dusty Britches]

Not to sound like a smartass, but the best thing to do with that tractor in my opinion is to sell it while it's still running. The beating you take now will be nothing compared to the one you take when it ain't running and you can't get parts.

cfpinz

That's exactly what we've been thinking. We are paying more for repairs than payments would be. And the only 2 places that will work on it is 1 1/2 hours away from us in opposite directions. Case, NH, and JD are only 20 minutes.

 

[Parkerson Cattle Co.]

I used to work on a ranch that had a zetor, biggest mistake they ever made was to buy that thing. Forever having problems. Korean made I think, better off with a massey, deere, or case.

 

[Dusty Britches]

I used to work on a ranch that had a zetor, biggest mistake they ever made was to buy that thing. Forever having problems. Korean made I think, better off with a massey, deere, or case.

Worse - Czech made.

Even though we rebuilt the brakes, they still don't work.

 

[Earl Thigpen]

Dusty, be careful with "bringing the rpm's up and dumping the clutch" when this thing is stuck between gears. You're liable to blow the side of the transmission case out into the next county. Then you're really goin' have a large repair bill.

I would agree the best thing to do is get rid of it while you still can.

 

[john250]

Worse than a tranny--I'm suspicious of a hydraulic pump.
If the condition improved at high rpm, I suspect hydraulic pressure. Change the filter first.

 

[Dusty Britches]

Worse than a tranny--I'm suspicious of a hydraulic pump.
If the condition improved at high rpm, I suspect hydraulic pressure. Change the filter first.

The hydraulic filter was changed a few months ago. The pump is inside the tranny, but all of the implements 3 point and front end loader/ hay spear work fine, no slipping.

 

[Cabo]

Dusty, I have an old massey that does the same thing. It is sticking in two gears at the same time. If you keep forcing it out with the engine, you are going to wind up with a blown transmission. Best to take your loss now than wait til it won't move at all and have to sell it for scrap steel price. The old massey only hangs about once a year or i would do the same with it, I just take the filler cap off and stick a bar in and slide the gears into neutral and keep going.

 

[Family Tradition]

Had to do this on my old Fordson from time to time. Dusty take the cover off and line everything up in neutral. I found if I made good square shifts and not try to shift in to big of a hurry hung up a lot less.

 

[john250]

Worse than a tranny--I'm suspicious of a hydraulic pump.
If the condition improved at high rpm, I suspect hydraulic pressure. Change the filter first.

The hydraulic filter was changed a few months ago. The pump is inside the tranny, but all of the implements 3 point and front end loader/ hay spear work fine, no slipping.

Then I'm clueless.
Scrap prices are up. :lol: :lol:

 

[sidney411]

Coufal Prater JD in Navasota takes trade ins......LOL

 

[Dusty Britches]

I went to feed hay on Monday - everything worked great.

Yesteday I went to feed and I can't get the tranny out of neutral. Shift lever is all the way up or down, ease off the clutch - neutral. No grinding, no catching - nothing! All of the hydraulics work fine.

Any suggestions to at least get it in gear? I've got my disc on there and my hay fork.

 

[john250]

I went to feed hay on Monday - everything worked great.

Yesteday I went to feed and I can't get the tranny out of neutral. Shift lever is all the way up or down, ease off the clutch - neutral. No grinding, no catching - nothing! All of the hydraulics work fine.

Any suggestions to at least get it in gear? I've got my disc on there and my hay fork.

Shift forks?
Someone who has seen this tranny could help a lot more. Will the dealer send a mechanic? I know, that's more than you want to spend but,...

 

[cfpinz]

When you move the shift lever does it have the normal resistance or is it real easy to move?

Call the dealership, tell the service manager what it's doing and see what common problems they've been having.

cfpinz

 

[alabama]

I say thake that tractor back and buy you a John Deere.

 

[Dusty Britches]

I called the dealer I like to work with and he said it sounded like the h/l lever shifted out - I never even thought about that.

Then I told him what happened last weekend. "Uh, oh," was his comment. "Sounds like the shift fork slipped out." Told me to try a few things and call him back. Unforuntately, I won't be able to get to it until well after dark tonight.

There is no resistance, so I'm thinking the h/l lever slipped out. At least that's what I'm hoping happened.

Coufal - Prater (John Deere) in Bryan has a 5510 I'm going to stop by and look at this evening.