Tractor advice

[cypressfarms]

Hey all,

O.k. I'm asking for this one, but I'm looking for advice on buying a "new for me" tractor.

I have a '68 Ford 4000, but with the new land that I'm getting, this tractor just won't have the umph. It has 52 hp, but I need a tractor that can pull a bat wing clipper (14' or so) and a wide disk (14-16'), and do all the other things that my ford 4000 has done for me. Been looking at John Deere 2750's and 2950's.

Anyone have any advice (please no belarus or similars)? I think I will need at least 80 to 90 hp for what I will be doing. Doesn't have to have a cab, and I really don't need 4WD.

Oh, by the way, I don't have an oil well on my land, so spending $30,000 grand on anything is out. My budget will be probably $15,000 or less.

 

[buckaroo_bif]

Why not look for a good ol J D 4020 Cypress? They run forever with hardly any major problems!
Look at spending 8,000 or so. I know that's a lot for an old tractor but there are worth the money!
bif

 

[norriscathy]

Look for a good used JD 6615. When it comes to pulling a bat wing you can't beat its 95 HP of umph. My 6615 has never failed to do anything I've asked of it! It has 6 cylinders of power v the 4 cylinders you normally find. Not quite twice the cubes or "other" 90 HP but close. PURE POWER. Love it.

 

[buckaroo_bif]

I'm not familar with the 6615. What year model is it? I sure like the old 4450's too. With a powershift the make a really nice hay tractor.
bif

 

[bigbull338]

i say since you pulling a 14 to 16 disk. look for a 4240 thats 115hp an it wont lay down with the disk. like the 2955 will be lugged way down disking.

 

[cypressfarms]

Why not look for a good ol J D 4020 Cypress? They run forever with hardly any major problems!
Look at spending 8,000 or so. I know that's a lot for an old tractor but there are worth the money!
bif

Bif, my dad has a 4020 and I agree they are good and seem to last longer than the energizer bunny. Was hoping that there would be a slightly "newer" version though.

Big Bull, you really think the 2955 would lug with a 14' disc?Don't have much experience with them, but would want to know before plunking down money.

 

[buckaroo_bif]

A 4020 would handle a 14 ft. disc just fine. I grew up on a 4020, one of the reasons I can't hear so good nowdays. LOL
Might want some duals on it. If you got an extra 10 grand or so why not look into a 44 series with a cab? A The 4450 series has a nicer hydraulic system than the older 30 or 40's did.
I use a 4450 for haying, the powershift works slick for round baling. You don't even have to clutch it when you get a bale, just slam it down into neutral till you get your bale wrapped , dump it then grab 10th or 11th and off you go again.
Look at spending over 15 and even closer to 17 - 18 thousand for one. Unless you can catch a good one at a farm auction.
Good luck!
bif

 

[bigbull338]

yes b/c the 2955 is 85hp.we have a 14 to 16 athens disk.an the 7700 will pull it but itll lugg it down bad.also have a 1256 ih. its 120hp an itll pull the disk with ease.

 

[txag]

http://www.machinefinder.com

 

[buckaroo_bif]

I was hoping txag would make it in here on this one!
bif

 

[txag]

I was hoping txag would make it in here on this one!
bif

 

[buckaroo_bif]

:shock:
gol durn! I was just looking around at machine finder out of curiosity at 4450's and I can't believe how expensive they have gotten. Anywhere from 27,000 and up!
I could of swore I looked at a couple a year ago and they were in the 16 - 17 thousand range!
You can find 4430's on there for less than 20. I remember when the 4430 was brand new in 1973 they sold for 17,000. The same tractor brings about the same price today 32 years later!
bif

 

[norriscathy]

I'm not familar with the 6615. What year model is it? I sure like the old 4450's too. With a powershift the make a really nice hay tractor.
bif

My 6615 is about 5 years old. It is realy a JD 7210 without all whistles, bells and fluff

 

[cypressfarms]

www.machinefinder.com

Txag,

I've been looking at that site almost every week for the last couple of months. I don't want to buy something that I won't be happy with, so I may just have to wait a year or so. The local John Deere place rents their 85hp out with a clipper by the hour. I can limp by and clip with it until I get enough money without having to sell my soul to the banker.

 

[norriscathy]

www.machinefinder.com

Txag,

I've been looking at that site almost every week for the last couple of months. I don't want to buy something that I won't be happy with, so I may just have to wait a year or so. The local John Deere place rents their 85hp out with a clipper by the hour. I can limp by and clip with it until I get enough money without having to sell my soul to the banker.

Machine Finder is extremely high. You can almost buy a new tractor for what they want for a used one. You might want to check out Brinkley Auctions in Idabel, OK. May be a little far for you but they sell 500 to 600 tractors of all kinds (mainly JD) every month! They've got a pretty good Website.

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

I'm not sure what your area is like (up here, green paint is wayyyyy too much money), but I'd check into a Massey 1105 or even an 1135. Big, comfortable cabs, plenty of power for what you want (1105 is 105 PTO, 1135 is 121 PTO), and generally cheap. I bought my 1135 two years ago, with a new clutch and recent engine work for $6500 Canuck. The closest green painted machine in the same era was over $14K.

On the 4020 front, I wouldn't bother with one. Collectors and small hobby farmers have driven the prices sky high. Our 4020 was $7500 when new. I recently had a guy offer $10K for it, and have seen them sell at auction sales for $12K+. They are a tough tractor, but not worth that kind of dollar when you can get a 930 or 1030 Case for less than $3K.

Rod

 

[El_Putzo]

I'm not familar with the 6615. What year model is it? I sure like the old 4450's too. With a powershift the make a really nice hay tractor.
bif

My 6615 is about 5 years old. It is realy a JD 7210 without all whistles, bells and fluff

Actually it is a 6620 without all the bells and whistles. The 72 series has a whole other class of options.

My suggestion for cheap reliable horsepower???? Go with an older IH. 1066 or 1086. They are very reliable tractors, parts are cheap as there were so many of these tractors, plus most parts were and still are interchangable with JD parts. Find yourself a tractor with a 414 or 466, IMO you can't go wrong with either of those engines.

 

[norriscathy]

I'm not familar with the 6615. What year model is it? I sure like the old 4450's too. With a powershift the make a really nice hay tractor.
bif

My 6615 is about 5 years old. It is realy a JD 7210 without all whistles, bells and fluff

Actually it is a 6620 without all the bells and whistles. The 72 series has a whole other class of options.

My suggestion for cheap reliable horsepower???? Go with an older IH. 1066 or 1086. They are very reliable tractors, parts are cheap as there were so many of these tractors, plus most parts were and still are interchangable with JD parts. Find yourself a tractor with a 414 or 466, IMO you can't go wrong with either of those engines.

NO! A JD 6615 has the same frame and engine as a 7210/7220.Don't know what a 6620 is.

 

[El_Putzo]

NO! and YES! The 6615 does have the same engine (414) and is probably built on the same frame. But, the 7020 series has a whole different set of options, as in, Closed center hydraulics, Power quad Plus tranny option, about half again as much lifting power at the 3 point hitch, and about 13% more torque rise at the pto.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking your 6615. I've driven my father-in-laws many times, and I like it only it's a little more clumsy than my brothers 6215. It's a good tractor for what he does and probably for what you do. I just don't want everyone to think that they are the same tractor, as they are not.

 

[mitchwi]

I'm not sure what your area is like (up here, green paint is wayyyyy too much money), but I'd check into a Massey 1105 or even an 1135. Big, comfortable cabs, plenty of power for what you want (1105 is 105 PTO, 1135 is 121 PTO), and generally cheap. I bought my 1135 two years ago, with a new clutch and recent engine work for $6500 Canuck. The closest green painted machine in the same era was over $14K.

On the 4020 front, I wouldn't bother with one. Collectors and small hobby farmers have driven the prices sky high. Our 4020 was $7500 when new. I recently had a guy offer $10K for it, and have seen them sell at auction sales for $12K+. They are a tough tractor, but not worth that kind of dollar when you can get a 930 or 1030 Case for less than $3K.

Rod

I agree with the your price comparison, we bought a JD 4010 Diesel 11 years ago, and paid $6500 average shape...4 years ago we bought a IH 1066 with a recent rebuild done for $3500...I'd say replacement parts are comparible, but for what is wanted on this thread, I don't think either of these has enough HP for what would be required of it....maybe different terrain, but I know there are times my husband is aching for more HP on the hills we run, and I don't think he's pulling anything as big as what this guy would be....but then, I'm not as smart when it comes to what kind of HP is needed for things....