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<blockquote data-quote="madbeancounter1" data-source="post: 114125" data-attributes="member: 2046"><p>I never thought much about the issue of profiling until we moved here some years back.</p><p></p><p>My wife being half filipino appears to some, who don't pay attention, to be hispanic. (On occasion a hispanic woman or man will walk up to her and start to speak spanish to her. She took spanish in HS 20+ years ago but doesn't remember much of it.) My wife is the most honest person I know, has almost zero tolerance for disregard of any rule. Heck, if I even get a story a little mixed up in the telling it's a federal offense. The worst thing you can do to her is embarrass or draw attention to her in any form. Anyway, I digress.</p><p></p><p>Point is that she can walk into a store with the kids to shop for whatever and within minutes she is being shadowed by store security. It was painfully obvious one day that I was with her and I confronted the guy and told him to pick on someone else because he was making her so nervous that she couldn't pick out clothes for the kids.</p><p></p><p>In the last three years she has been stopped by the police a total of 5 times. Only once was it citable and resulted in a courtesy warning. That was because the license plate light had burned out. <strong>The other four times there was no citation and no explanation for the stop. And my wife is so shy that she wouldn't even dream of asking, not to mention has a genuine fear of law enforcement, for fear something else might happen</strong> At least twice she was followed more than 3 blocks in town before being pulled over.</p><p></p><p>If you look in the paper at the police log you will find that the majority of those stopped for traffic violations are hispanic and that most of them seem to accrue violations when they are stopped and the violations are valid... lack of registration, no DL, no insurance.... But now when they are stopping my wife and not giving any citation or warning and no explanation that gets me to wondering if there is anything to the claim of profiling. </p><p></p><p>Someone tried to tell me it's because she drives a little red Grand Am and the color catches the attention of the officers. Well, I drove that car back and forth to work for a year and half before she started driving it and I never once got stopped. Before that she drove a mini-van, gold in color, and got stopped in it. I never got stopped while driving it. And before that she drove our now dead ancient Blazer with transplanted rust from the north and got stopped while driving it. By the way... the license plate light that was supposedly burned out on the Grand Am is not/was not burned out and is working fine.</p><p></p><p>I don't have a problem with law enforcement stopping anyone behaving in a suspicious manner or for breaking any ordinance. As long as they explain why they stopped you.</p><p></p><p>In case you are wondering why she is scared of law enforcement. Years ago when we still lived in the land of "Amish and RV's" the INS raided several RV manufacturing facilities and rounded up whole bunches of hispanics. They even pulled them off of downtown streets and placed them in detention. Didn't matter that they might be a citizen or have the proper resident alien papers. Detention first, Ask questions later. It was later found that out of 400 some rounded up that they netted somewhere around 11 or 12 illegals. The bigger problem was that some of the people that they rounded up were held for days on end even though they were as legal as you and me. There were reports that a couple citizens had been deported but I doubt that happened and reports that some had been mistreated (read it how you want depending on your gender) and I can't say I would entirely doubt that. All I know is that my very pretty 23 year old bride was scared to death to leave the house without me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madbeancounter1, post: 114125, member: 2046"] I never thought much about the issue of profiling until we moved here some years back. My wife being half filipino appears to some, who don't pay attention, to be hispanic. (On occasion a hispanic woman or man will walk up to her and start to speak spanish to her. She took spanish in HS 20+ years ago but doesn't remember much of it.) My wife is the most honest person I know, has almost zero tolerance for disregard of any rule. Heck, if I even get a story a little mixed up in the telling it's a federal offense. The worst thing you can do to her is embarrass or draw attention to her in any form. Anyway, I digress. Point is that she can walk into a store with the kids to shop for whatever and within minutes she is being shadowed by store security. It was painfully obvious one day that I was with her and I confronted the guy and told him to pick on someone else because he was making her so nervous that she couldn't pick out clothes for the kids. In the last three years she has been stopped by the police a total of 5 times. Only once was it citable and resulted in a courtesy warning. That was because the license plate light had burned out. [b]The other four times there was no citation and no explanation for the stop. And my wife is so shy that she wouldn't even dream of asking, not to mention has a genuine fear of law enforcement, for fear something else might happen[/b] At least twice she was followed more than 3 blocks in town before being pulled over. If you look in the paper at the police log you will find that the majority of those stopped for traffic violations are hispanic and that most of them seem to accrue violations when they are stopped and the violations are valid... lack of registration, no DL, no insurance.... But now when they are stopping my wife and not giving any citation or warning and no explanation that gets me to wondering if there is anything to the claim of profiling. Someone tried to tell me it's because she drives a little red Grand Am and the color catches the attention of the officers. Well, I drove that car back and forth to work for a year and half before she started driving it and I never once got stopped. Before that she drove a mini-van, gold in color, and got stopped in it. I never got stopped while driving it. And before that she drove our now dead ancient Blazer with transplanted rust from the north and got stopped while driving it. By the way... the license plate light that was supposedly burned out on the Grand Am is not/was not burned out and is working fine. I don't have a problem with law enforcement stopping anyone behaving in a suspicious manner or for breaking any ordinance. As long as they explain why they stopped you. In case you are wondering why she is scared of law enforcement. Years ago when we still lived in the land of "Amish and RV's" the INS raided several RV manufacturing facilities and rounded up whole bunches of hispanics. They even pulled them off of downtown streets and placed them in detention. Didn't matter that they might be a citizen or have the proper resident alien papers. Detention first, Ask questions later. It was later found that out of 400 some rounded up that they netted somewhere around 11 or 12 illegals. The bigger problem was that some of the people that they rounded up were held for days on end even though they were as legal as you and me. There were reports that a couple citizens had been deported but I doubt that happened and reports that some had been mistreated (read it how you want depending on your gender) and I can't say I would entirely doubt that. All I know is that my very pretty 23 year old bride was scared to death to leave the house without me. [/QUOTE]
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