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<blockquote data-quote="ollie&#039;" data-source="post: 140347" data-attributes="member: 2432"><p>Doc, maybe couldn't disagree more was too strong. I stress the short comings of epd's because of the rush to buy cattle based strictly on epd's. Just look at the questions posed here, on this board. Lots of potential buyers ask the question" what about this bull" etc. and only post his registration number which links to epd's and pedigrees. You can't make much improvement in phenotype with that information alone. There are as many different type EXT's for example as you can imagine. Some better than he was probably but some surely not worth using as a commercial bull. You could say the same for any bull. If we could stress the importance of actually knowing , and being able to identify the difference in cattle phenotype , visualy, as heavily as we stress the importance of epd's ,the industry would become more profitable and efficient as a whole. Back to the discussion of inserting impure genetics to change phenotype of purebred cattle. I am of the opinion that much more damage has been done to the respective purebred gene pools of each breed by the bottom ender "registered" breeder cranking out bulls with no knowledge of what qualities make up a good bull phenotypically. They can all read numbers and get all wound up about the quality of the numbers when in reality the bull should have been a steer. Their enthusiasm sells the bull to someone who is just beneath them in the pecking order and thus we have a less than desirable set of calves that several people have to own and make money off of in the production chain. Chicken and pork people have integrated their business where this doesn't happen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ollie', post: 140347, member: 2432"] Doc, maybe couldn't disagree more was too strong. I stress the short comings of epd's because of the rush to buy cattle based strictly on epd's. Just look at the questions posed here, on this board. Lots of potential buyers ask the question" what about this bull" etc. and only post his registration number which links to epd's and pedigrees. You can't make much improvement in phenotype with that information alone. There are as many different type EXT's for example as you can imagine. Some better than he was probably but some surely not worth using as a commercial bull. You could say the same for any bull. If we could stress the importance of actually knowing , and being able to identify the difference in cattle phenotype , visualy, as heavily as we stress the importance of epd's ,the industry would become more profitable and efficient as a whole. Back to the discussion of inserting impure genetics to change phenotype of purebred cattle. I am of the opinion that much more damage has been done to the respective purebred gene pools of each breed by the bottom ender "registered" breeder cranking out bulls with no knowledge of what qualities make up a good bull phenotypically. They can all read numbers and get all wound up about the quality of the numbers when in reality the bull should have been a steer. Their enthusiasm sells the bull to someone who is just beneath them in the pecking order and thus we have a less than desirable set of calves that several people have to own and make money off of in the production chain. Chicken and pork people have integrated their business where this doesn't happen. [/QUOTE]
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