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<blockquote data-quote="Brandonm2" data-source="post: 139975" data-attributes="member: 2095"><p>I have been told that story about the type changing cattle of the late 60s and 70s in BOTH the Angus AND Hereford breeds since I was a boy. IT would be real easy to check it out. Bulls like Ankonian Dynamo, Enforcer 107H, PS Powerplay, 103T, Braxton Giant, etc still have semen out there (commercially available) and I am sure that Chianina people have semen from many of the popular sires of their day (and the Stein people have semen on virtually everything). Oldtimers like Jim Reed, Doug Hoff, or Doc Harris probably remember which bulls were most controversial back in the day (assuming they would cooperate) so you wouldn't have to do a real massive effort to find the bulls most of interest. </p><p></p><p>And we have the mini-Herefords, Lowline Angus, "classic" Herefords, these New Zealand Angus, plus older stored semen that we KNOW don't have any Chianina in them. I am NOT a geneticist; but most of the better universities have people who are quite capable of doing the DNA analysis from the surviving DNA samples to see if any of those animals that shouldn't be are related or not. </p><p></p><p>This is one of those commonly repeated tales (and I have heard it from people with exceptional credentials from that era) we COULD prove or disprove quite easily. Of course I have complete confidence that the people in Miles City did not "cheat" (they have no money on the line) and IF Miles City could do it why are we doubting the abilities of the top purebreeders of their day who had deep pockets to find the curve benders? The real question in this is....do we really want to know??</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brandonm2, post: 139975, member: 2095"] I have been told that story about the type changing cattle of the late 60s and 70s in BOTH the Angus AND Hereford breeds since I was a boy. IT would be real easy to check it out. Bulls like Ankonian Dynamo, Enforcer 107H, PS Powerplay, 103T, Braxton Giant, etc still have semen out there (commercially available) and I am sure that Chianina people have semen from many of the popular sires of their day (and the Stein people have semen on virtually everything). Oldtimers like Jim Reed, Doug Hoff, or Doc Harris probably remember which bulls were most controversial back in the day (assuming they would cooperate) so you wouldn't have to do a real massive effort to find the bulls most of interest. And we have the mini-Herefords, Lowline Angus, "classic" Herefords, these New Zealand Angus, plus older stored semen that we KNOW don't have any Chianina in them. I am NOT a geneticist; but most of the better universities have people who are quite capable of doing the DNA analysis from the surviving DNA samples to see if any of those animals that shouldn't be are related or not. This is one of those commonly repeated tales (and I have heard it from people with exceptional credentials from that era) we COULD prove or disprove quite easily. Of course I have complete confidence that the people in Miles City did not "cheat" (they have no money on the line) and IF Miles City could do it why are we doubting the abilities of the top purebreeders of their day who had deep pockets to find the curve benders? The real question in this is....do we really want to know?? [/QUOTE]
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