The gov. pays us just enough so we can keep going and over produce. Maybe we just work for them and don't know it. Not many will ever do what you speak of don't want to loose what they may any way. ROCK ON sign me up it might just be time for another revolution :!: :!: :!:
The reality of the american farmers way of life.
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BAGTIC
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whatsupdoc3":1hix25ap said:
Tomorrow is promised to no one. Neither is a profit. It is a hard fact of life to swallow but once you finally get it down you will be a man.
Wally world does not make the product. The companies selling product to Wal-mart are not setting prices either. It sounds like you are saying that you want to set your own wage. If I told my boss I wanted a raise and he said NO, I would have two options. Keep working for my current wage or quit and find something else.
Walt
Walt
Why do you or I deserve anything? We deserve nothing but the right to try. If we don't make it problem solved someone else will take our place. they might not be in the U.S. but they will take our place. Folks want cheap food they don't care if it comes from south america
BAGTIC":2ujxmfi0 said:
to; whatsupdoc
The more I think about this. It's the hard times who make us what we are. you , your dad ,your grandfather probably did a lot of things to make it thru the hard times and just might be better for it.I don't know where it says we deserve to run cows or farm if it's a business run it like one and get out if you can't find a way make it work. If it's a life style fight to keep it, If we want change we have to fight for it no one is going to give it to us because they wan't us to make it. Like it or not when one goes under it's an chance for the rest of us.
The more I think about this. It's the hard times who make us what we are. you , your dad ,your grandfather probably did a lot of things to make it thru the hard times and just might be better for it.I don't know where it says we deserve to run cows or farm if it's a business run it like one and get out if you can't find a way make it work. If it's a life style fight to keep it, If we want change we have to fight for it no one is going to give it to us because they wan't us to make it. Like it or not when one goes under it's an chance for the rest of us.
TexasBred
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Whatsup..one thing you over look is the fact that you do not have to shop at that store. Millions in other nations don't have that option. But I'd bet the family farm you shop at WalMart or at least the rest of the family does. I don't care for them either but they have the best prices in town. Learn to be like ol' Sam Walton. You may not have a friend in the world but you'll die wealthy. :banana:
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I think you miss read my post. Wal-mart does set the price and have a take it or leave it attitude for its suppliers. I also know a little about its history reading Sam Waltons autobiography. My point is those suppliers (like you and me in the cattle business) are not setting the price. On a slightly different note GM apparenltly can't make a dime either. Should they get with all the other auto manufacturers and double the price of autos or should we let the free market play it out.
Walt
Walt
TexasBred
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Doc at least you're trying to practice what you preach by boycotting those companies you feel hurt folks etc. And as I said in earlier post "you have that choice". Millions don't have a choice. Remember those empty shelves in USSR? Folks had money but nothing to buy with it and if they had a bit of meat to sell it cost a weeks wages to get it. People would kill over a turnip. That's what you end up with when you get more and more dependent on govt. Basically you're saying reallocate the wealth so we can all start over as equals. That's Marxist :!: :!: :!:
Hoosier Pete
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Farmers & ranchers sell wholesale and buy retail. Wal-Mart sells retail and buys wholesale. Therein lies the difference.
Regards, Pete
Regards, Pete
Arnold Ziffle
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doc, maybe you should just raise a nice herd of Peidmontese cattle. Then you'd be in the catbird's seat. ;-)
( Why does this topic, and all reply posts, automatically make it to the Breeds board as well as this Everything Else board?? )
( Why does this topic, and all reply posts, automatically make it to the Breeds board as well as this Everything Else board?? )
bigbull338
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well im going to jump in here with my thoughts.the gov regs farming ranching an anything that has todo with food.the reason being so the USA can have cheap food.thats why we dont an cant even make a profit on what we produce.we are the ones starving so people can eat.so who is right in this deal,no one because if it was everyone could eat an make a profit.
hayray
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Well I guess I gotta jump in on this also. I just watched the Georgia Farm Report on RFD-TV and they compared a whole buncha countries and the US citizens spend way less of their average incomes on food. As for the comparison to oil, oil is a non-perishable, non-renewable resoursce, so it is difficult to make the comparison to food produced by American Farmers. Also, can't believe that people are that nieve to blame Wal-Mart for this countries woes. Wal-mart is one of the best things that has happened to this country, allows millions to buy products they couldn't afford before.
KMacGinley
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Dear Comrades: I believe that the government should control everything to insure that everything is always fair. Oh wait, didn't marx and lenin already propose something similar and Russia gave it a go for 80 or so years, was that a big success, I forget?
Agriculture and Big Oil sell commodities, commodity prices are set by a little thing called Supply and Demand. Commodity producers are price takers, not price makers. If you want to set your own price, get out of the commodity market, produce something unique, create a niche and earn the big bucks, otherwise take your price and like it.
Agriculture and Big Oil sell commodities, commodity prices are set by a little thing called Supply and Demand. Commodity producers are price takers, not price makers. If you want to set your own price, get out of the commodity market, produce something unique, create a niche and earn the big bucks, otherwise take your price and like it.
backhoeboogie
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whatsupdoc3":hatdzmm6 said:
doc, This is an Ockman's Razor issue.
I don't blame Wal-Mart. I blame the people who spend all their nickels there. Same with Lowes, Home Depot or any of them. If I absolutely have to spend money in those stores, I feel awful about it. There's no need for me to point my finger at the government.
Maw and Paw stores have a very hard time making it. I like to shop in those places. They actually appreciate my business. They might even open at 2 a.m. for me in an emergency.
TexasBred
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whatsupdoc3":2c70p9hb said:
They'll need to go dig thru their old records and find out how to make products that last. One reason Toyota, Sony, Hitachi, BMW, "some breeds of cattle" and tons of other things are in such demand are because they are better than their American competition. Not to even mention price. Hate WalMart if you want but there are millions of folks who own WalMart stock so it's not like the Walton heirs still own the whole show. The same for most companies. I'm sure if we checked our retirement funds we hvae money invested in them as well and love it when it appreciates in value.
hayray
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backhoeboogie":2ypzlb4a said:
The Walmart by me is already open at 2:00 A:M. As to jobs being lost - what a joke. A few over-paid union workers. Does that mean then that those people are never getting another job again? I think actually they change jobs because they lost their other job because they could not produce a product as efficiently as the competitor. I don't want to pay extra for their inneficienies. Does any one here remember the good old days of American cars in the 70's? - rust out in one year and you could hardly get one to start. The problem was fixed by by-passing the worker and using better quality control measures. Trust me, I am in Michigan and knew a lot of those auto workers that could care less about the quality, but they sure got paid alot.
Our local hardware store - high prices and poor service. They act like you owe them a living. I'm looking forward to the planned Home Depot in the area.
Yes, jobs in some big stores may be lower paying, but with the lower prices, people don't need to make as much.
Yes, jobs in some big stores may be lower paying, but with the lower prices, people don't need to make as much.
BAGTIC
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Txwalt":4mp7mxas said:
That's the way it is in ALL business. The customer sets the price.
BAGTIC
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Wal-Mart does not cost jobs. It produces new ones. With the money I save shopping at Wal-Mart I am able to buy more goods and services, often at other stores. I imagine most people are like us. We spend what we have to spend. When it runs out we quit. I spend the money I save at Wal-Mart to take the wife out to dinner at the local restaurant. If I was paying at the higher priced stores the wife would spend Sundays after church sweating over a hot store. The way it is she gets the days off and we can enjoy it together.
