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<blockquote data-quote="Massey135" data-source="post: 899009" data-attributes="member: 17234"><p>Sure SOME animals in some modern brit breeds look more like the continentals now than they did in the 70s but only those raising british cattle as termal sires; those trying to compete with the continentals with growth at the sake of maternal quality. There are still countless breeders out there that breed true to their breed's characteristics and the phenotype hasn't changed much if any. Wye Angus had 1300lb females then. Not one of my cows will go 1300. On the other hand, many breeders INCLUDING YOURSELF are going back to frame 3-4-5 cattle they had <strong>prior</strong> to the 70s. As Ive mentioned before on here, I have several photo albums of my grandpas herefords from the late 60s and 70s. Many of these Hereford Bulls would dwarf the type of Red Angus your breeding now so I wouldn't say cattle as a whole have made some type of drastic transformation. </p><p></p><p>I completely agree with what your saying about selection pressure. Breeders of continental purebreds( in america) are selecting the characteristics that made the british breeds so viable. There are still people who have fullblood simmis here that still closely resemble the imports from the 70s. There are also fullbloods in France that still resemble the imports from the 70s. The american pbs do not. They resemble british breeds in phenotype. I agree its the selection pressure but its the selection of british traits that have changed the phenotype. </p><p></p><p>The % of angus blood in the pb simmis is irrelevent to me but like I said, Compare a modern day fullblood simmi here in America, an Angus here in America, and a pb simmi and see which two most closely resemble. The modern day pb simmi is more similar in phenotype to the Angus of any era than they are to any fullblood.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Massey135, post: 899009, member: 17234"] Sure SOME animals in some modern brit breeds look more like the continentals now than they did in the 70s but only those raising british cattle as termal sires; those trying to compete with the continentals with growth at the sake of maternal quality. There are still countless breeders out there that breed true to their breed's characteristics and the phenotype hasn't changed much if any. Wye Angus had 1300lb females then. Not one of my cows will go 1300. On the other hand, many breeders INCLUDING YOURSELF are going back to frame 3-4-5 cattle they had [b]prior[/b] to the 70s. As Ive mentioned before on here, I have several photo albums of my grandpas herefords from the late 60s and 70s. Many of these Hereford Bulls would dwarf the type of Red Angus your breeding now so I wouldn't say cattle as a whole have made some type of drastic transformation. I completely agree with what your saying about selection pressure. Breeders of continental purebreds( in america) are selecting the characteristics that made the british breeds so viable. There are still people who have fullblood simmis here that still closely resemble the imports from the 70s. There are also fullbloods in France that still resemble the imports from the 70s. The american pbs do not. They resemble british breeds in phenotype. I agree its the selection pressure but its the selection of british traits that have changed the phenotype. The % of angus blood in the pb simmis is irrelevent to me but like I said, Compare a modern day fullblood simmi here in America, an Angus here in America, and a pb simmi and see which two most closely resemble. The modern day pb simmi is more similar in phenotype to the Angus of any era than they are to any fullblood. [/QUOTE]
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