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<blockquote data-quote="cmf1" data-source="post: 833366" data-attributes="member: 6681"><p>No Doc,</p><p>I don't find you confusing at all in this post.</p><p>In fact you're straight on the point of my reason for the post.</p><p>You were kind enough to say that I was overlooking "phenotypical charachteristics" instead of pointing out what specifically you saw as unacceptable.</p><p>Laundry list them.</p><p>I can take it. This bull doesn't define who I am. He's just a tool in my box.</p><p>I might even agree on some points.</p><p>I'm guessing we would have to argue a bit on pin to hook slope. </p><p></p><p>As far as his other points, I have to admit that the first feature that I look for in a bovine is heart girth and silver dollar sized nostrils on a big flat nose. Heart lung capacity and the ability to feed them.</p><p>This to me is the most functional trait cattle can possess. Possibly to the point that I may overlook what I feel are less functional traits.</p><p>Secondly balance and topline. When I bought this bull as 16 month old he appeared to me to be more balanced than what he has become. His length is good but his failure to maintain what looked like a growthy rear end is a bit of a let down.</p><p>Thirdly I would like that package on the shortest legs possible. Sound legs just under the outer edges of their body. </p><p>feet, eyeset, and some whorls are important. </p><p>As far as Expressed Progeny Differences, I prefer Visual Progeny Apparent.</p><p>I do look at BW, WW,and YW. CE. and am leery of accuracy.</p><p>I believe milk has to do with environment as well as heredity. And if I can see the calves that are eating the milk I'll draw my own conclusions. </p><p>I would not buy a bull without a BSE.</p><p>I'm still exploring the concept of scrotal attachment as it relates to udder quality. I think there's much more to that than what I previously did.</p><p>There's more to it, but if I get that far and it's good it's hard to stay focused on the minutia. But I try.</p><p></p><p>Agree or disagree that's an honest assessment of my approach. And I missed something with this guy. I think.</p><p>Thing is though, I am more than willing to be swayed with evidence or experience to the contrary.</p><p>That's what I'm looking for.</p><p>And the masculine/feminine thing is just a concept that crossed my mind and made me wonder so I said it out loud as a possibility for this bull out producing himself .</p><p>Because this is a forum. </p><p>For discussion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cmf1, post: 833366, member: 6681"] No Doc, I don't find you confusing at all in this post. In fact you're straight on the point of my reason for the post. You were kind enough to say that I was overlooking "phenotypical charachteristics" instead of pointing out what specifically you saw as unacceptable. Laundry list them. I can take it. This bull doesn't define who I am. He's just a tool in my box. I might even agree on some points. I'm guessing we would have to argue a bit on pin to hook slope. As far as his other points, I have to admit that the first feature that I look for in a bovine is heart girth and silver dollar sized nostrils on a big flat nose. Heart lung capacity and the ability to feed them. This to me is the most functional trait cattle can possess. Possibly to the point that I may overlook what I feel are less functional traits. Secondly balance and topline. When I bought this bull as 16 month old he appeared to me to be more balanced than what he has become. His length is good but his failure to maintain what looked like a growthy rear end is a bit of a let down. Thirdly I would like that package on the shortest legs possible. Sound legs just under the outer edges of their body. feet, eyeset, and some whorls are important. As far as Expressed Progeny Differences, I prefer Visual Progeny Apparent. I do look at BW, WW,and YW. CE. and am leery of accuracy. I believe milk has to do with environment as well as heredity. And if I can see the calves that are eating the milk I'll draw my own conclusions. I would not buy a bull without a BSE. I'm still exploring the concept of scrotal attachment as it relates to udder quality. I think there's much more to that than what I previously did. There's more to it, but if I get that far and it's good it's hard to stay focused on the minutia. But I try. Agree or disagree that's an honest assessment of my approach. And I missed something with this guy. I think. Thing is though, I am more than willing to be swayed with evidence or experience to the contrary. That's what I'm looking for. And the masculine/feminine thing is just a concept that crossed my mind and made me wonder so I said it out loud as a possibility for this bull out producing himself . Because this is a forum. For discussion. [/QUOTE]
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