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Government does not function with integrity and without interference from politics. The ball just don't bounce that way. The Fed has been manipulated since hector was a pup. Interest rates and monetary policy are not guided by economics, they are manipulated by politics. I don't see this being any different than it has been since the 1980s.
 

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They need to let the interest rates rise at a controlled rate or get more strict on the terms. The lending in our country is out of control and needs to be reined in.

People need to learn "credit" is not money and does not equal security.
 

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Brute 23":1csovdqw said:
They need to let the interest rates rise at a controlled rate or get more strict on the terms. The lending in our country is out of control and needs to be reined in.

People need to learn "credit" is not money and does not equal security.

Seems like a system that takes the perfect person to run it, maybe isn't a good system after all.

What if no one controlled the interest rates? What if they set themselves and weren't subject to the ability of a small group of people to make decisions that affected the entire economy? How would one go about this?

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The problem now is they have made so many people dependent on it that they would literally have to slowly wean people off like drug addicts.
 

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Brute 23":18z8zzj9 said:
The problem now is they have made so many people dependent on it that they would literally have to slowly wean people off like drug addicts.

Quite true... but I believe there is a plan.
 

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The problem now is they have made so many people dependent on it that they would literally have to slowly wean people off like drug addicts.

The interest rate that the Fed sets for loans to banking institutions also sets the rate for interest on money the US borrows. Raising rates would place a great burden on the Treasury to service foreign and domestic debt instruments to keep government running. Thus, every administration since President Carter has used its influence (they appoint board members and a Chairman that they know will tow the line) to manipulate interest rates.
 

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There has been a lot of campaigning by various groups wanting the USA to go back to the gold standard. What would that cost to do this in the world we are in now. Is there enough gold in the world to satisfy commerce as we know it.
 

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There has been a lot of campaigning by various groups wanting the USA to go back to the gold standard. What would that cost to do this in the world we are in now. Is there enough gold in the world to satisfy commerce as we know it.

I am guessing with the size of our economy, that it would be impossible to back each dollar with gold, silver, etc. Furthermore, would we want to? What if foreign governments who hold billions in US debt ask for repayment/interest in gold?
 

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There has been a lot of campaigning by various groups wanting the USA to go back to the gold standard. What would that cost to do this in the world we are in now. Is there enough gold in the world to satisfy commerce as we know it.


See section 2 of this bill. I believe this, or something very similar is likely what it will look like.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... /5404/text
 

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Bright Raven":1mybeii2 said:
hurleyjd":1mybeii2 said:
There has been a lot of campaigning by various groups wanting the USA to go back to the gold standard. What would that cost to do this in the world we are in now. Is there enough gold in the world to satisfy commerce as we know it.

I am guessing with the size of our economy, that it would be impossible to back each dollar with gold, silver, etc. Furthermore, would we want to? What if foreign governments who hold billions in US debt ask for repayment/interest in gold?

They 'could' back each dollar in accounts and circulation with gold, but the value of gold would have to rise to over $10,000/ounce first. Last I read the US Govt in total (not just federal reserve) has only about 261 million ounces of gold in various forms in it's vaults.
Not all of it is part of the Federal Reserve. Some belongs to the Treas Dept. Some is 'working gold' some is 'deep storage' at Ft Knox Ky, West Point NY, & Denver Colo.
 

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greybeard":1pmuer1q said:
Bright Raven":1pmuer1q said:
hurleyjd":1pmuer1q said:
There has been a lot of campaigning by various groups wanting the USA to go back to the gold standard. What would that cost to do this in the world we are in now. Is there enough gold in the world to satisfy commerce as we know it.

I am guessing with the size of our economy, that it would be impossible to back each dollar with gold, silver, etc. Furthermore, would we want to? What if foreign governments who hold billions in US debt ask for repayment/interest in gold?

They 'could' back each dollar in accounts and circulation with gold, but the value of gold would have to rise to over $10,000/ounce first. Last I read the US Govt in total (not just federal reserve) has only about 261 million ounces of gold in various forms in it's vaults.
Not all of it is part of the Federal Reserve. Some belongs to the Treas Dept. Some is 'working gold' some is 'deep storage' at Ft Knox Ky, West Point NY, & Denver Colo.

the rest of it is in the HOOD on teeth and chains
 

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greybeard":272axwc4 said:
Bright Raven":272axwc4 said:
hurleyjd":272axwc4 said:
There has been a lot of campaigning by various groups wanting the USA to go back to the gold standard. What would that cost to do this in the world we are in now. Is there enough gold in the world to satisfy commerce as we know it.

I am guessing with the size of our economy, that it would be impossible to back each dollar with gold, silver, etc. Furthermore, would we want to? What if foreign governments who hold billions in US debt ask for repayment/interest in gold?

They 'could' back each dollar in accounts and circulation with gold, but the value of gold would have to rise to over $10,000/ounce first. Last I read the US Govt in total (not just federal reserve) has only about 261 million ounces of gold in various forms in it's vaults.
Not all of it is part of the Federal Reserve. Some belongs to the Treas Dept. Some is 'working gold' some is 'deep storage' at Ft Knox Ky, West Point NY, & Denver Colo.

Thanks for putting some flesh on the prospects of going back to a gold standard and making US currency exchangeable for gold. There are lots of reasons - unfavorable for the US - not to return to a gold standard.
 

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We need to go to the corn gold standard!

In seriousness though currency has been backed by a lot of different things over the years, from salt to wheat flour. So a commodity starndard wouldn't be that obserd.
 

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Bright Raven":3vmtenxf said:
greybeard":3vmtenxf said:
Bright Raven":3vmtenxf said:
I am guessing with the size of our economy, that it would be impossible to back each dollar with gold, silver, etc. Furthermore, would we want to? What if foreign governments who hold billions in US debt ask for repayment/interest in gold?

They 'could' back each dollar in accounts and circulation with gold, but the value of gold would have to rise to over $10,000/ounce first. Last I read the US Govt in total (not just federal reserve) has only about 261 million ounces of gold in various forms in it's vaults.
Not all of it is part of the Federal Reserve. Some belongs to the Treas Dept. Some is 'working gold' some is 'deep storage' at Ft Knox Ky, West Point NY, & Denver Colo.

Thanks for putting some flesh on the prospects of going back to a gold standard and making US currency exchangeable for gold. There are lots of reasons - unfavorable for the US - not to return to a gold standard.

Saved for posterity.
 

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The US dollar is now "fiat money". In other words only PAPER. It has no intrinsic value other that it is recognized by law as the US official currency.

As the world's largest debtor nation, the US currently holds a National Debt of $21 trillion.

I would rather hold a debt of that size in paper than I would in a currency redeemable in a precious metal.

Fiat money is a currency without intrinsic value that has been established as money, often by government regulation. Fiat money does not have use value, and has value only because a government maintains its value...

Why inflation is "good" for repaying the national debt:

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/3015 ... -pay-debt/
 
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Bright Raven":1yqb4j44 said:
The US dollar is now "fiat money". In other words only PAPER. It has no intrinsic value other that it is recognized by law as the US official currency.

As the world's largest debtor nation, the US currently holds a National Debt of $21 trillion.

I would rather hold a debt of that size in paper than I would in a currency redeemable in a precious metal.

Fiat money is a currency without intrinsic value that has been established as money, often by government regulation. Fiat money does not have use value, and has value only because a government maintains its value...

Why inflation is "good" for repaying the national debt:

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/3015 ... -pay-debt/

What's interesting, is that our retirement money (social security trust fund) holds claim to the lions share of that 21 trillion. It's a giant shell game.
Fiat money; a promise from a financially irresponsible govt that they will back the value printed on that paper. Should the USD cease to be the world trade standard, hard times will begin overnight in this land of plenty.
 

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bball":fvndw7m0 said:
Bright Raven":fvndw7m0 said:
The US dollar is now "fiat money". In other words only PAPER. It has no intrinsic value other that it is recognized by law as the US official currency.

As the world's largest debtor nation, the US currently holds a National Debt of $21 trillion.

I would rather hold a debt of that size in paper than I would in a currency redeemable in a precious metal.

Fiat money is a currency without intrinsic value that has been established as money, often by government regulation. Fiat money does not have use value, and has value only because a government maintains its value...

Why inflation is "good" for repaying the national debt:

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/3015 ... -pay-debt/

What's interesting, is that our retirement money (social security trust fund) holds claim to the lions share of that 21 trillion. It's a giant shell game.
Fiat money; a promise from a financially irresponsible govt that they will back the value printed on that paper. Should the USD cease to be the world trade standard, hard times will begin overnight in this land of plenty.

There have been talks and rumors of talks of replacing the USD as the world standard.

This is a VERY arrogant nation. Not many are willing to face that truth. We have a large economy but a large share of that is government at all levels spending (40 cents on every dollar of government spending is borrowed, much of that off-shore). No one can push us around because of our military and nuclear capabilities but on an economic basis, I think we are a paper tiger.
 

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