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<blockquote data-quote="greybeard" data-source="post: 1077750" data-attributes="member: 18945"><p>At that time, engaging in hostilities without a warning or declaration of war was virtually unheard of in the modern era--it would have been seen as a dishonorable act, and an act of cowardice. </p><p>Negotiations were ongoing between ambassador Hull and the Japanese envoy in Washington right up to the minute of the attack.</p><p></p><p>In the other 2 most previous wars leading up to WW2, (Spanish American War and WW1) ultimatums were issued, and a declaration of war by one or both sides was expected and happened weeks in advanc (even tho there was never any real doubt that the US and Spain were going to war) . The USS Maine blew up in Havana harbor in mid Feb 1898. The riots in Havana took place a week later. President McKinley didn't ask congress for authority to send troops to Cuba until 2 months later on Apr 11. US sent Spain an ultimatum regarding Cuba on April 21. Spain declared war on April 23. US declared war shortly thereafter. Even then, the first battle didn't take place until May 1 in Manila.</p><p></p><p>WW1 was precipitated by the assaination of Archduke Ferdinand on June 28 1914, everyone was fairly sure war was coming when negotations broke down and ultimatums were refused. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Even the War of 1812, had a pause between the day war was declared and hostilities began. US declared war on Britain June 18th 1812 and the first hostilities didn't take place until July 12, well after both Britain and Canada had received word of the declaration of war. That, was just the way things were done in those days and would have been expected to be done again, right up until the bombs started falling on Pearl Harbor. No respected nation would attack without warning-a sucker punch, especially delivered in a way that civilian casualties would be occur was simply deemed to be the weapon of a coward. </p><p></p><p>The sudden and unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor was totally unexpected by most politicans in the US. There had been no hostilities, no "USS Maine" type incident (not that the Maine was really blown up by the Spanish anyway) or aggression by either side against each other before hand . It was a "sneak attack" --what today would be hailed as terrorism. It's intent was to both cripple the US in the Pacific and to shock the American people into seeking a peaceful way out of full blown war with Japan. </p><p></p><p>This of course happened before I was born, but I can well remember my parents and uncles describing it in exactly that term--cowardice. It is also why FDR fittingly described it as a date of infamy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="greybeard, post: 1077750, member: 18945"] At that time, engaging in hostilities without a warning or declaration of war was virtually unheard of in the modern era--it would have been seen as a dishonorable act, and an act of cowardice. Negotiations were ongoing between ambassador Hull and the Japanese envoy in Washington right up to the minute of the attack. In the other 2 most previous wars leading up to WW2, (Spanish American War and WW1) ultimatums were issued, and a declaration of war by one or both sides was expected and happened weeks in advanc (even tho there was never any real doubt that the US and Spain were going to war) . The USS Maine blew up in Havana harbor in mid Feb 1898. The riots in Havana took place a week later. President McKinley didn't ask congress for authority to send troops to Cuba until 2 months later on Apr 11. US sent Spain an ultimatum regarding Cuba on April 21. Spain declared war on April 23. US declared war shortly thereafter. Even then, the first battle didn't take place until May 1 in Manila. WW1 was precipitated by the assaination of Archduke Ferdinand on June 28 1914, everyone was fairly sure war was coming when negotations broke down and ultimatums were refused. Even the War of 1812, had a pause between the day war was declared and hostilities began. US declared war on Britain June 18th 1812 and the first hostilities didn't take place until July 12, well after both Britain and Canada had received word of the declaration of war. That, was just the way things were done in those days and would have been expected to be done again, right up until the bombs started falling on Pearl Harbor. No respected nation would attack without warning-a sucker punch, especially delivered in a way that civilian casualties would be occur was simply deemed to be the weapon of a coward. The sudden and unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor was totally unexpected by most politicans in the US. There had been no hostilities, no "USS Maine" type incident (not that the Maine was really blown up by the Spanish anyway) or aggression by either side against each other before hand . It was a "sneak attack" --what today would be hailed as terrorism. It's intent was to both cripple the US in the Pacific and to shock the American people into seeking a peaceful way out of full blown war with Japan. This of course happened before I was born, but I can well remember my parents and uncles describing it in exactly that term--cowardice. It is also why FDR fittingly described it as a date of infamy. [/QUOTE]
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