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<blockquote data-quote="Dylan Biggs" data-source="post: 829430" data-attributes="member: 14282"><p>The one thing Knersie I am sure you noticed was my effort to exclude type preferences from the list.</p><p></p><p>I attempted to make the list, purely funtional, what the cow and bull need to do or to achieve, with out presuming and or being prescriptive as to my opinion of what type or form is required to get it done. Partially because ultimately the function is the most important and if that is getting done the form that that takes is by definition what is required. Not that I have no type preference, as you know.</p><p></p><p>I used the terms agile and athlelic in this description which may leave the door open to type preference and maybe really for the sake of a purely functional definition, one should say that what is wanted is an above average proficiency or a highly proficient servicing ability. </p><p></p><p>I have seen bulls over the years that were extremely proficient breeders that could settle 70 plus females in a 48 day breeding season and in general I don't know if I could honestly say they were all one specific type.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Dun for sure it is a long row to hoe and like you say the chance of ever arriving is slim but the destination is in mind.</p><p>The age cull is a struggle for me also, we have a number of 14 and one 15 year old this year and in light of cull cow prices that may not be wise. We do have quite a bunch of younger cows though. </p><p></p><p>3way, in the end from a purely economic and longevity standpoint a good arguement can be made for middle of the road from a ww standpoint, as unpalatable as that may be, especially if one can make up for it in reduced distribution, ie avoid the extremes top and bottom, and still get the same total lbs. Set your input levels and your calving period limitations and you will by default identify the level of production that fits. A cow that doesn't produce is of virtually no value except as a cull and the cow that milks herself out of a job before her time isn't a whole buch better.</p><p></p><p>Doc, as regards the contraversy, if one difines application ie maternal and then sticks to production outcomes (function) and let form follow then some of the contraversy can be avoided. In the end getting the job done is the most important objective.</p><p></p><p>I look forward to your input. </p><p></p><p>Input from any and all would be appreciated. :tiphat:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dylan Biggs, post: 829430, member: 14282"] The one thing Knersie I am sure you noticed was my effort to exclude type preferences from the list. I attempted to make the list, purely funtional, what the cow and bull need to do or to achieve, with out presuming and or being prescriptive as to my opinion of what type or form is required to get it done. Partially because ultimately the function is the most important and if that is getting done the form that that takes is by definition what is required. Not that I have no type preference, as you know. I used the terms agile and athlelic in this description which may leave the door open to type preference and maybe really for the sake of a purely functional definition, one should say that what is wanted is an above average proficiency or a highly proficient servicing ability. I have seen bulls over the years that were extremely proficient breeders that could settle 70 plus females in a 48 day breeding season and in general I don't know if I could honestly say they were all one specific type. Dun for sure it is a long row to hoe and like you say the chance of ever arriving is slim but the destination is in mind. The age cull is a struggle for me also, we have a number of 14 and one 15 year old this year and in light of cull cow prices that may not be wise. We do have quite a bunch of younger cows though. 3way, in the end from a purely economic and longevity standpoint a good arguement can be made for middle of the road from a ww standpoint, as unpalatable as that may be, especially if one can make up for it in reduced distribution, ie avoid the extremes top and bottom, and still get the same total lbs. Set your input levels and your calving period limitations and you will by default identify the level of production that fits. A cow that doesn't produce is of virtually no value except as a cull and the cow that milks herself out of a job before her time isn't a whole buch better. Doc, as regards the contraversy, if one difines application ie maternal and then sticks to production outcomes (function) and let form follow then some of the contraversy can be avoided. In the end getting the job done is the most important objective. I look forward to your input. Input from any and all would be appreciated. :tiphat: [/QUOTE]
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