TEACHER APPLICANT

[Tommy Ruyle]

After being interviewed by the school administration, the eager teaching prospect said:

"Let me see if I've got this right. You want me to go into that room with all those kids, and fill their every waking moment with a love for learning, and I'm supposed to instill a sense of pride in their ethnicity, modify their disruptive behavior, observe them for signs of abuse and even censor their T-shirt messages and dress habits.

You want me to wage a war on drugs and sexually transmitted diseases, check their backpacks for weapons of mass destruction, and raise their self esteem.

You want me to teach them patriotism, good citizenship, sportsmanship, fair play, how to register to vote, how to balance a checkbook, and how to apply for a job.

I am to check their heads for lice, maintain a safe environment, recognize signs of anti-social behavior, make sure all students pass the state exams, even those who don't come to school regularly or complete any of their assignments.

Plus, I am to make sure that all of the students with handicaps get an equal education regardless of the extent of their mental or physical handicap.

I am to communicate regularly with the parents by letter, telephone, newsletter and report card.

All of this I am to do with just a piece of chalk, a computer, a few books, a bulletin board, a big smile.

AND on a starting salary that qualifies my family for food stamps! You want me to do all of this and then you tell me...I CAN'T PRAY?"

 

[msscamp]

And we wonder why there is a shortage of good teachers!

 

[chrisy]

and they wonder why the kid are like they are today :? when the teachers hands are tied behind their backs on disapline :frowns:

 

[msscamp]

and they wonder why the kid are like they are today :? when the teachers hands are tied behind their backs on disapline :frowns:

Chrisy, I've got to disagree with you on this one - it is not the schools job to raise our children and discipline (sp?) starts at home - if it's there the need for it at school is generally vastly reduced. Just my .02.

 

[chrisy]

and they wonder why the kid are like they are today :? when the teachers hands are tied behind their backs on disapline :frowns:

Chrisy, I've got to disagree with you on this one - it is not the schools job to raise our children and discipline (sp?) starts at home - if it's there the need for it at school is generally vastly reduced. Just my .02.

I agree that disapline starts at home, but it would be nice if it could be carried on in school. As some children know the Teachers can do nothing and play up at school because they can. even the threat of letters home, and suspension does nothing. I've been there and done that, and my Daughter still is, and tells me about some of the Children she teaches, in an inner town school. It's not an easy job nowadays.

 

[Tommy Ruyle]

I agree with chrisy on this one. The kids know the teacher's hands are tied and they take advantage of it.

My wife teaches. A few years back she was teaching at the Elem. level. She was correcting a little girl that was in second grade. This little girl said to my wife, "No I'm not, and you can't make me".

I wouldn't have done that to a teacher, even at the high school level. (And if I had, I would have got my butt warmed). You know that kind of attitude comes from home.

 

[mnmtranching]

Same old story, the kids that want to learn will, and the ones that don't won't.

I'm not a teacher, but it seems to me kids coming from a good home have much better odds of doing well in school and life.
My thoughts.

mnmt

 

[Alice]

I agree with chrisy on this one. The kids know the teacher's hands are tied and they take advantage of it.

My wife teaches. A few years back she was teaching at the Elem. level. She was correcting a little girl that was in second grade. This little girl said to my wife, "No I'm not, and you can't make me".

I wouldn't have done that to a teacher, even at the high school level. (And if I had, I would have got my butt warmed). You know that kind of attitude comes from home.

My daughter teaches 3rd grade...the stories she can tell. My daughter, however, was born to be a teacher...she can get stuff out of kids that no one else can...maybe because when she was in highschool she was one of the "brat pack," and believe me, she wasn't allowed to behave that way at home.

Kids face a lot of challenges today...even the kids from homes that have tried hard to instill values. They are faced with interacting with peers that have come from homes that could care less about them. And yes, legislation has tied the teacher's hands behind their backs. Good school administration helps...and good school administration is getting more and more scarce.

My daughter says that she'd rather have a whole roomful of low academic achievers in her class than have to deal with one parent of a high academic achiever who thinks their kid walks on water and can do no wrong.

Alice

 

[memanpa]

i say now and have for yrs things started going downhill when they took away the right for corpral punisment away from the teachers!!
that and DR Spock
i knew that if i got in trouble at school and a teacher punished me it was going to be worse when i got home, and i still haven't figured out how my folks found out, when i was in the 6th grade i smarted off to a teacher, moments later it was wham bam! when i got home my dad was there waiting, he knew about it already and we DIDN"T have a phone! and did not live in town either

 

[Horticattleman]

My dad retired from teaching this year with 30 yrs. He taught adult education in vo tech and prisons and tried to go back to public school 2 years ago. After 2 days he begged for his prisoners. He taught 3rd grade. He had kids tell him to go to he?? and eff you and all that. 3rd graders! He said it was a shame that he had several good students that wanted to learn but he spent so much time trying to corral some he couldn't teach others.

 

[msscamp]

and they wonder why the kid are like they are today :? when the teachers hands are tied behind their backs on disapline :frowns:

Chrisy, I've got to disagree with you on this one - it is not the schools job to raise our children and discipline (sp?) starts at home - if it's there the need for it at school is generally vastly reduced. Just my .02.

I agree that disapline starts at home, but it would be nice if it could be carried on in school. As some children know the Teachers can do nothing and play up at school because they can. even the threat of letters home, and suspension does nothing. I've been there and done that, and my Daughter still is, and tells me about some of the Children she teaches, in an inner town school. It's not an easy job nowadays.

Valid point, and one I didn't think of. I would be the last person to argue with you about teaching not being an easy job these days - my Mom retired from teaching in 2000.

 

[chrisy]

and they wonder why the kid are like they are today :? when the teachers hands are tied behind their backs on disapline :frowns:

Chrisy, I've got to disagree with you on this one - it is not the schools job to raise our children and discipline (sp?) starts at home - if it's there the need for it at school is generally vastly reduced. Just my .02.

I agree that disapline starts at home, but it would be nice if it could be carried on in school. As some children know the Teachers can do nothing and play up at school because they can. even the threat of letters home, and suspension does nothing. I've been there and done that, and my Daughter still is, and tells me about some of the Children she teaches, in an inner town school. It's not an easy job nowadays.

Valid point, and one I didn't think of. I would be the last person to argue with you about teaching not being an easy job these days - my Mom retired from teaching in 2000.

It is a shame that it seems it is the so called Educated Countries that have this problem. If you look at the Third World Countries, they still have disapline and the children want to learn. Our two great Nations have gone over and given our teaching, with the missionaries, and now it has come back to bite us on the prevebial, it would seem, with a few splinter groups. There is an old saying 'Ignorance is bliss' with this group purhaps that would have been a good thing, instead of a 'Little Education is a bomb'.

 

[1848]

and they wonder why the kid are like they are today :? when the teachers hands are tied behind their backs on disapline :frowns:

Chrisy, I've got to disagree with you on this one - it is not the schools job to raise our children and discipline (sp?) starts at home - if it's there the need for it at school is generally vastly reduced. Just my .02.

I agree that disapline starts at home, but it would be nice if it could be carried on in school. As some children know the Teachers can do nothing and play up at school because they can. even the threat of letters home, and suspension does nothing. I've been there and done that, and my Daughter still is, and tells me about some of the Children she teaches, in an inner town school. It's not an easy job nowadays.

Valid point, and one I didn't think of. I would be the last person to argue with you about teaching not being an easy job these days - my Mom retired from teaching in 2000.

It is a shame that it seems it is the so called Educated Countries that have this problem. If you look at the Third World Countries, they still have disapline and the children want to learn. Our two great Nations have gone over and given our teaching, with the missionaries, and now it has come back to bite us on the prevebial, it would seem, with a few splinter groups. There is an old saying 'Ignorance is bliss' with this group purhaps that would have been a good thing, instead of a 'Little Education is a bomb'.

I have to agree that most of the things mentioned are something parents should be reenforcing in the home. The teachers responsibility is to educate the student, and broaden their perspective. It is the parents responsibility to wipe their noses and teach them respect. I "do" think Teachers should be allowed to discipline though. It helps maintain the perimeters for acceptable behavior and gives the teacher some authority to adjust unacceptable behavior.

Almost forgot the part I underlined....It's funny though that the 3rd world countries rely on our monetary and military support, and send their brightest citizens to our countries to be educated. Only to return and place the education we gave them back into their own country (giving no credit to us or our support). That has to say something good about our system despite it's flaws.

 

[chrisy]

1848...yes both our systems are good, but they have not only turned the education we gave them into their Country, which we gave it to them for, they have turned it onto our Countries, and now use it against us.

Parents are the ones who should teach their children respect, and at home they probably are, but if you have a class of 25 -30 children and just a few play up there is not much you can do. you cant put your hands on them even to hold them back, as it is against their civil liberties, you cant shout as that is not politically correct, you cant keep them after school until you have notified the parents, by then the reasons are forgotten and old so do nothing, you need a good reason to dismiss them from class or school, so how can a teacher disapline now. all the kids do is laugh at you. I had a 5 year old say to me one day at school 'you can't touch me, it's child abuse, and I'll ring child line if you do' and then spouted off the telephone number at me. What can you do to that, when I called the parents all they said to me is we are paying you to teach not to disapline. and this was a school where parents paid a high fee to send them there.

 

[1848]

1848...yes both our systems are good, but they have not only turned the education we gave them into their Country, which we gave it to them for, they have turned it onto our Countries, and now use it against us.

Parents are the ones who should teach their children respect, and at home they probably are, but if you have a class of 25 -30 children and just a few play up there is not much you can do. you cant put your hands on them even to hold them back, as it is against their civil liberties, you cant shout as that is not politically correct, you cant keep them after school until you have notified the parents, by then the reasons are forgotten and old so do nothing, you need a good reason to dismiss them from class or school, so how can a teacher disapline now. all the kids do is laugh at you. I had a 5 year old say to me one day at school 'you can't touch me, it's child abuse, and I'll ring child line if you do' and then spouted off the telephone number at me. What can you do to that, when I called the parents all they said to me is we are paying you to teach not to disapline. and this was a school where parents paid a high fee to send them there.

Yes, they have turned it against us, and we have also, in some cases, benefited from their contributions too. It is what made America great..from the mixture of English, Irish, Dutch, German, Spanish, American Indian....heck, even the French in the beginning, to the multi-cultural peoples that imigrant into our country today There are many bright minds coming out of third world countries, the problem is all humans are falible, and the selfishness and greed can change individuals. Their best intentions for their own country an ideas change when they come to a free world and see what there is to offer, or go back to theirs and find they are not supported, still insignificant, or cannot make the difference they had hoped.......

As far a part two of your comment. All I have to say is teachers have one great weapon...they can mess with their minds! 8) :lol: :lol:

 

[msscamp]

and they wonder why the kid are like they are today :? when the teachers hands are tied behind their backs on disapline :frowns:

Chrisy, I've got to disagree with you on this one - it is not the schools job to raise our children and discipline (sp?) starts at home - if it's there the need for it at school is generally vastly reduced. Just my .02.

I agree that disapline starts at home, but it would be nice if it could be carried on in school. As some children know the Teachers can do nothing and play up at school because they can. even the threat of letters home, and suspension does nothing. I've been there and done that, and my Daughter still is, and tells me about some of the Children she teaches, in an inner town school. It's not an easy job nowadays.

Valid point, and one I didn't think of. I would be the last person to argue with you about teaching not being an easy job these days - my Mom retired from teaching in 2000.

It is a shame that it seems it is the so called Educated Countries that have this problem. If you look at the Third World Countries, they still have disapline and the children want to learn. Our two great Nations have gone over and given our teaching, with the missionaries, and now it has come back to bite us on the prevebial, it would seem, with a few splinter groups. There is an old saying 'Ignorance is bliss' with this group purhaps that would have been a good thing, instead of a 'Little Education is a bomb'.

I have to agree that most of the things mentioned are something parents should be reenforcing in the home. The teachers responsibility is to educate the student, and broaden their perspective. It is the parents responsibility to wipe their noses and teach them respect. I "do" think Teachers should be allowed to discipline though. It helps maintain the perimeters for acceptable behavior and gives the teacher some authority to adjust unacceptable behavior.

I agree. I think the one thing about Mom's teaching experiences that completely blew my mind was the number of mothers asking her why school wasn't a year round thing so they didn't have to deal with their child. :???: :???: I just don't understand that.

 

[ffscj]

msscamp,

maybe you needed to know their children as well as they did!!! :lol:


Chris

 

[1848]

I agree. I think the one thing about Mom's teaching experiences that completely blew my mind was the number of mothers asking her why school wasn't a year round thing so they didn't have to deal with their child. :???: :???: I just don't understand that.

Yup, allot of messed up kids out there because parents didn't take the time to spend it with them. just a little attention is all it takes sometimes..

 

[chrisy]

I agree. I think the one thing about Mom's teaching experiences that completely blew my mind was the number of mothers asking her why school wasn't a year round thing so they didn't have to deal with their child. :???: :???: I just don't understand that.

Yup, allot of messed up kids out there because parents didn't take the time to spend it with them. just a little attention is all it takes sometimes..

sometimes it is not the fault of the parent, as we know they do not give out a hand book to guide you through parenting, and if you did not have a good gaurdian to show you in bringing you up the circle just keeps going on. Rich or poor circumstances can make it hard to spend the time you would like with your children. i.e a busy Dr, or a poor single parent who has to work a few jobs to keep going. occasionally it might break but not often. sometimes with the best will in the world, it is peer pressure that get to a child and sends them off of the rails. just my observation from life.

 

[chrisy]

coming back to the disapline thing, have you seen what Cowgirl10_2 has put on here in a post called 'Gross' where were her parents in the disapline, in posting such garbbage. was it done as a joke to deliberatly offend people and make comments to it, so her young mind could have a laugh at peoples expense. I know I have done just that, and probably given her what she wanted, a reaction, but she needs disapline big time. and to be taught the correct morals and not one of an alley cat. I wonder what her parents would think.