Looking for a bull to buy. This fella at the Calgary Bull Sale in March catches my eye. Wondered what others thought of him.
http://calgarybullsale.com/catalog/?act ... 3DHEREFORD
http://calgarybullsale.com/catalog/?act ... 3DHEREFORD
Take a look at this bull
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DOC HARRIS
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I am not conversant enough with the breed to discuss pedigrees, but I would say he is an average two year old Hereford, but no better than average. He is a little pinched in the heart girth, and lacks DEPTH of round - possibly good width. Good level top line and deep flank. It would depend upon how he would match up with my cows genetically AND phenotypically before I could decide to use him. His Growth EPD's seem okay.
DOC HARRIS
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I would prefer a more masculine head and a broader forehead and muzzle on a two year old bull. It's not a very good photo to judge a young bull and certainly not a very good photo to use as an advertisement.
Doc....when you speak of "depth of round" are you refering to barrell or butt?
He looks like an athletic range bull to me. Good length, could be deeper in the body. He's wide enough, from his stance in the picture. I think (from the picture) that he's got a slightly weak top-line. I presume he's a forage bull. He should work well with deep-bodied cows. All IMHO.
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He looks like an athletic range bull to me. Good length, could be deeper in the body. He's wide enough, from his stance in the picture. I think (from the picture) that he's got a slightly weak top-line. I presume he's a forage bull. He should work well with deep-bodied cows. All IMHO.
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Frankie":10lci9qx said:
Yep
cowboyup216":2dmlr4hf said:
The calves from that bull will most likely be much less than the 98 lbs if the cows are bred and gestating here down south.
Canadian calves are heavier than ours because of environmental/management reasons.
I never look at a bull's actual birthweight. Too many variables.
DOC HARRIS
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Butt. The "Round" (from whence come "Round Steaks") is that part of the hindquarters between the Rump, or upper half of the hindquarters, and the Gaskins, (or that small area just above the hock.) The "Hindquarters" would be considered that area of the rear-end of the beef animal from just ahead of the Hook Bones backward to the end of the "Thigh" area (that part of the hind leg that the tail touches as it hangs down), from the top of the animal down to the hock. The "Rump" is the upper 1/2 of the hindquarter and the "Round" is the lower 1/2 of the hindquarter. In a HOG, it is known as a HAM! An ideally structured "BEEF" animal would have well-marbled meat NOT JUST FAT) filling that space. If that area is thin, flat, or lacking in structure, it is "Lacking 'Depth of Round'" and, in my opinion, is classified as a "FUNNEL BUTT"!
The Barrel is the Abdominal Cavity, which contains the Rumen, Gut and Uterus.
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DOC HARRIS":jycq98r9 said:
I agree 100%.
Saltydawg
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I'm a novice compared to some of these guys but I do run Herefords and he looks like a good match for my cows.
I'd use him if the price was right. Decent growth and no glaring faults IMO.
I'd use him if the price was right. Decent growth and no glaring faults IMO.
We would not use any bull with more than a 80 lb
birthweight. Any bull calf of ours that shows up with
an 80+ pound birthweight(which is very rare) gets to
be part of our beef program as a steer. No use asking
for trouble. All in MHO of course.
birthweight. Any bull calf of ours that shows up with
an 80+ pound birthweight(which is very rare) gets to
be part of our beef program as a steer. No use asking
for trouble. All in MHO of course.
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Good to know. I thought he was a little pinched in the heart girth as well, but otherwise thought he was ok. Less than 100 lb birthweight is fine with me, or even a little over. Our biggest calf we ever had was 130 lbs out of a part Char cow, and too much leg. Largest calf I know locally that was born was 160 lb purebred Simmental bull calf, whose dam needed a bit of assistance but not much (chalk that one up to big ole' Simmental hips). I don't care for anything under 80 lbs as they are a bit harder to get going. As far as I am concerned, if the cow can handle it, let them have bigger calves,...it's added pounds in the fall.
OK Jeanne - as said in another post - BW in the North are a whole lot heavier than in the South. You can take the exact same animals and the cold will put more BW on the calves.
Like, MikeC says, actual BW is not as important as CE than BW EPD's.
We don't cut anything until over 100#.
Like, MikeC says, actual BW is not as important as CE than BW EPD's.
We don't cut anything until over 100#.
