Surprise cow

cowgirl8

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This cow was a first time calving heifer during the 2011 drought. That group of heifers struggled to raise a calf, so we sold the calves very young. This cows calf was small, the smallest of the group. She also lost the most weight. She missed her second calf, but gained tons of weight. The third year, she was in heat all year and presumed open. Moved her to the old cow pasture where we planned on selling her with some culled old cows. Just when we were thinking of getting the culls up, she calves out of the blue. No udder, no indication she was going to calve, after all she showed signs of heat all winter. Drops a strange looking bull calf who grew, but not as good as we thought a cow her size should. Looked open all winter this year. No sign of heat, just no sign of pregnancy. We weaned her very late 2013 calf in January. Looked at her real good when i went through the herd to see if i thought there was anyone who i thought was open a few weeks ago. She was the only one in the pasture who looked open. So, we again planned to sell her. Go out in the pasture the other morning...boom, 100 poundish heifer calf and in mid calving time. Her last calf was in late June...Her udder went from nothing to super big. She'll get another chance. This cow is huge, maybe our biggest cow.
 
You do know of course there are methods of determining pregancy besides eyeballing them
 
Yes, i'm aware. We never sell a cow unless confirmed open, thats why she went to a different pasture and we dont sell during calving season just in case there are surprises unless we know 100% she's open.
 
I know, forreal.. We sold her weird looking steer and got 900... We would have gotten a lot for her too, but i'd rather get a calf on the ground. I would sure hate to be struggling to get back into business now. Glad we held on to every cow we could, really glad... 'if there were a chicken icon i'd insert it here...lol'
 
cowgirl8":34tljsrc said:
I know, forreal.. We sold her weird looking steer and got 900... We would have gotten a lot for her too, but i'd rather get a calf on the ground. I would sure hate to be struggling to get back into business now. Glad we held on to every cow we could, really glad... 'if there were a chicken icon i'd insert it here...lol'

Only thing i "struggle" with is the weather. 1/2 inch of rain in the past six weeks being it's the middle of April, 3-4 inches since January 1..... doesn't scream "get in" or buy more cows.
 
Since we dont buy replacement heifers, it didnt make sense to sell her at the time. We would have gotten around 300 at the most and replacing her the next year would cost more. We bale our own hay and had plenty to fatten her up, so, we gave her another chance. When she didnt breed back, and we had a few, we knew it was condition and heat on the bulls part the reason she missed her second calving. If we had gotten 300 for her at that first calving year, we may or may not have replaced her at the time. If we had waited till now to replace her not sure that 300 would buy us back a replacement that is equal to what she is now... We knew why her first calf was dinky, and why she missed a calf. Last calf couldnt have been out of our bulls because of timing, so who knows what crossed over and bred her. This years calf though is the last straw, if she doesnt raise a good calf, she will be up for sale to guys who buy their replacements at the auctions...lol We'll get a good check from her too, she's impressive looking. But the calf looks pretty darn good.
Whats funny is, the cows who calved their first in the drought years, 11/12, struggled and were really poor when we weaned their first calves. These cows were below average size before and after their first calves. Today, they are all HUGE...They are so big, we may have to make our chute area bigger. That struggling did something to them, but you'd think it would be opposite. When we got them up this last fall, i had no idea how much they had grown.
 
cowgirl8":oyxz0pxy said:
Since we dont buy replacement heifers, it didnt make sense to sell her at the time. We would have gotten around 300 at the most and replacing her the next year would cost more. We bale our own hay and had plenty to fatten her up, so, we gave her another chance. When she didnt breed back, and we had a few, we knew it was condition and heat on the bulls part the reason she missed her second calving. If we had gotten 300 for her at that first calving year, we may or may not have replaced her at the time. If we had waited till now to replace her not sure that 300 would buy us back a replacement that is equal to what she is now... We knew why her first calf was dinky, and why she missed a calf. Last calf couldnt have been out of our bulls because of timing, so who knows what crossed over and bred her. This years calf though is the last straw, if she doesnt raise a good calf, she will be up for sale to guys who buy their replacements at the auctions...lol We'll get a good check from her too, she's impressive looking. But the calf looks pretty darn good.
Whats funny is, the cows who calved their first in the drought years, 11/12, struggled and were really poor when we weaned their first calves. These cows were below average size before and after their first calves. Today, they are all HUGE...They are so big, we may have to make our chute area bigger.
That struggling did something to them, but you'd think it would be opposite. When we got them up this last fall, i had no idea how much they had grown.

I believe what you are seeing is compensatory gain. They are just achieving their genetic potential. I don't care one way or the other but you seem to revel in having gigantic cows. My question would be Why?
 
From that picture, her and the calf both look great! Glad she came around!
That is a cute marked calf with her little side hat on!
I have to agree, it was more cost effective to give her another chance then to replace her. That has been my experience with some of my registered cattle. (It could be different for me if I was running a large commercial herd, but I am not.)
 
3waycross":1k3f8m3u said:
cowgirl8":1k3f8m3u said:
Since we dont buy replacement heifers, it didnt make sense to sell her at the time. We would have gotten around 300 at the most and replacing her the next year would cost more. We bale our own hay and had plenty to fatten her up, so, we gave her another chance. When she didnt breed back, and we had a few, we knew it was condition and heat on the bulls part the reason she missed her second calving. If we had gotten 300 for her at that first calving year, we may or may not have replaced her at the time. If we had waited till now to replace her not sure that 300 would buy us back a replacement that is equal to what she is now... We knew why her first calf was dinky, and why she missed a calf. Last calf couldnt have been out of our bulls because of timing, so who knows what crossed over and bred her. This years calf though is the last straw, if she doesnt raise a good calf, she will be up for sale to guys who buy their replacements at the auctions...lol We'll get a good check from her too, she's impressive looking. But the calf looks pretty darn good.
Whats funny is, the cows who calved their first in the drought years, 11/12, struggled and were really poor when we weaned their first calves. These cows were below average size before and after their first calves. Today, they are all HUGE...They are so big, we may have to make our chute area bigger.
That struggling did something to them, but you'd think it would be opposite. When we got them up this last fall, i had no idea how much they had grown.

I believe what you are seeing is compensatory gain. They are just achieving their genetic potential. I don't care one way or the other but you seem to revel in having gigantic cows. My question would be Why?
Hum, let me think....maybe giant weanlings??? We dont aim to have big cows, but since we were into sims in our early years and still have cows with mainly sim in them, some of our cows get rather large....now, have white faced 1/2 angus calves out of these large cows, you usually get a very large calf that brings in a lot of money. I dont believe its rocket science...
 
And these cows born the years they were are the same stock as all our others. It just seems that the 9's and 0's (the first numbers on their tag representing the year they were born) ended up bigger than average than any other years. You can pick these cows out in the herd because they are big.. They spent 2011-12 dinky, like almost first calving heifer sized....thats what confuses me..
 
I believe what you are seeing is compensatory gain. They are just achieving their genetic potential. I don't care one way or the other but you seem to revel in having gigantic cows. My question would be Why?[/quote]

Hum, let me think....maybe giant weanlings??? We dont aim to have big cows, but since we were into sims in our early years and still have cows with mainly sim in them, some of our cows get rather large....now, have white faced 1/2 angus calves out of these large cows, you usually get a very large calf that brings in a lot of money. I dont believe its rocket science...[/quote]

Hmmmm let me think, how about giant feed bill. Giant cows eat more. Nothing against Sims or your cows in general but cows that large are generally not considered to be real efficient. Don't quote me on the exact numbers but if I remember the thread we had on here correctly you can feed 12 1200lb cows for what it costs to feed 9 or 10 1750 or 1800lb cows and they will wean more pounds of calf when it's all said and done.
What are the avg 205 day weaning weights on those huge cows. Even shooting for a cow to wean 45 to 50 percent of her body weight that means that they need to be weaning 800lb or larger calves.
I am not trying to tell you what to do but based on the pictures you have posted your cowherd is all over the place on size. That being the case what criteria do you use for selection?
......and no it's not Rocket Science but it is a Science nevertheless. Selection, breeding, feeding, medicating, and marketing. All have Scientific components and if you ignore them you do so at your own loss sooner or later.
 
Then why the heck does anyone raise sims, Charolais...Are they wasting money? Should we all have small cows that dont eat much?
Our situation is very different. We owe nothing, everything is paid for, land equipment, everything. Our cows are all over the place because we switched to angus. Our cows are mainly, the older ones, sim. We switched to angus bulls, so we're getting more angus in the herd. Big sim cross cows raise very nice 1/2 angus calves and do it effortlessly.. We bale our own hay. We have plenty of land to graze. On normal years our feed bill is whatever we have in baling the hay. And, my husband takes such good care of his hayfields, several people who's parents either died and left the land to them, or they got out of the cow business let my husband bale their land for nothing. He takes care of it, it looks pretty and the land owner doesnt have to do anything. So many people have gone out of business, even the hay baling business, its hard to get anyone to do anything. And we are very happy to help out..lol
Not sure why i need to explain. We are in the commercial beef cattle business and do very well. We are not in the registered business...If there is anything i'd like to improve is marketing our calves instead of taking them to a sale barn...
If this cow had been old, she would be gone. But she was a young cow and i'll allow one missed calf.
 
cowgirl8":3d1y4g7e said:
Then why the heck does anyone raise sims, Charolais...Are they wasting money? Should we all have small cows that dont eat much?
Our situation is very different. We owe nothing, everything is paid for, land equipment, everything. Our cows are all over the place because we switched to angus. Our cows are mainly, the older ones, sim. We switched to angus bulls, so we're getting more angus in the herd. Big sim cross cows raise very nice 1/2 angus calves and do it effortlessly.. We bale our own hay. We have plenty of land to graze. On normal years our feed bill is whatever we have in baling the hay. And, my husband takes such good care of his hayfields, several people who's parents either died and left the land to them, or they got out of the cow business let my husband bale their land for nothing. He takes care of it, it looks pretty and the land owner doesnt have to do anything. So many people have gone out of business, even the hay baling business, its hard to get anyone to do anything. And we are very happy to help out..lol
Not sure why i need to explain. We are in the commercial beef cattle business and do very well. We are not in the registered business...If there is anything i'd like to improve is marketing our calves instead of taking them to a sale barn...
If this cow had been old, she would be gone. But she was a young cow and i'll allow one missed calf.

Apparently those questions were too hard for you. It is obvious that I owe you an apology. After checking your heifer thread it's apparent that you are well on your way to downsizing your avg cow size. Best of luck with you cow business. You seem to have it all figured out! :tiphat:
 
I really dont understand why you have such a problem with this, me, whatever....Maybe my giant cows make you feel less a man, who knows. I just find it funny you seem to have a problem with this....Why should you even care???
 
cowgirl8":1jiwtnk5 said:
I really dont understand why you have such a problem with this, me, whatever....Maybe my giant cows make you feel less a man, who knows. I just find it funny you seem to have a problem with this....Why should you even care???

Well I guess it's out there for all to see. You giant cow threatened my manhood.

Apparently my questions which kinda apply to anyone actually trying to not lose money on cattle were the kind of thing we talk about on here all the time. Efficiency compared to size, longevity, selection criteria. etc etc. I really am sorry that you feel threatened by these things.

I just really wanted to know why you like such big cows and you talked to me like I was a retard. I am a bit disappointed that you resorted to name calling so quick when we could have had a civil discussion on the efficiency of large cows. Heck who knows you might have learned something.

I actually own an 1800lb cow and I can give you or anyone else a solid logical explanation as to why, so stop being such a baby and get in the game.

One thing you will learn if you stay here is that if you post pictures here someone will usually ask a question or even god forbid criticize one of your cows.
 
It sure looks to me like they are doing something right! Not many people in your age bracket cowgirl have that much, (herd, land, and equipment) all paid for and making a good living at it! :clap:
I would say that you have accomplished much! And you don't get there by not knowing what your doing and making some good decisions either!

I like my big cows. I have bred and kept only the feed efficient ones. Easy fleshing. They have longevity and calve easy. They do not eat anymore than a smaller cow, maybe less than some. It is all in what you prefer. Good cattle, are good cattle, no matter what size they are!
 
3waycross":22v6s1pb said:
Dam I guess estrogen really is thicker than water :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :shock:
I"m guessing you like to be mister know it all and when someone doesnt pat you on the back for saving their business it makes you mad. I'm past menopause so no extra estrogen here. I'm just confident...and i think thats what you have a problem with..Didnt you question the number of cows i have with your silly calculations? Something about building our herd back up and doing it wrong?
 

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