Storing grain sorghum in airtight steel drums.

whitewing

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Any special consideration need be given to grain moisture content before packing the drums? This material will later be ground and used for hog feed.
 
whitewing":3d3u7t63 said:
Any special consideration need be given to grain moisture content before packing the drums? This material will later be ground and used for hog feed.
I don't think that is going to work to good personally. I think its going to really stink when you open em back up. Especially if they go thru some heat cycles.
 
Kingfisher":2wplrmpa said:
whitewing":2wplrmpa said:
Any special consideration need be given to grain moisture content before packing the drums? This material will later be ground and used for hog feed.
I don't think that is going to work to good personally. I think its going to really stink when you open em back up. Especially if they go thru some heat cycles.

You could be right though it's how grain is often stored here for farm feed use. I'm thinking there could be some fermentation, but then that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Oh, forgot to mention, there's a pill that is added to each drum to make sure insect activity is brought to a halt.
 
Whitewing, although that grain sorghum looks bone dry it will still be 13% or even higher moisture. This in a closed environment will probably cause some spoilage if not complete ruin. Especially putting it up in hot weather.
 
kenny thomas":12xka3pa said:
Wouldn't this not be like wrapping high moisture hay? If the barrels are airtight once the oxygen is used up it can't spoil.

That's kinda of what I was thinking. :?
 
whitewing":3giv7iuc said:
kenny thomas":3giv7iuc said:
Wouldn't this not be like wrapping high moisture hay? If the barrels are airtight once the oxygen is used up it can't spoil.

That's kinda of what I was thinking. :?
Well I didn't know we were going to think about this...........:) In that case how many " air tight" drums are we talking about?
I would rig up some sort of contraption to draw all the air / moisture content down to something acceptable that would insure no or less of a loss of the feed. Kind of like evacuating an A/C system before a recharge. Question I have would be how much benefit is " dry" millet?
 
Kingfisher":39tfl9gj said:
whitewing":39tfl9gj said:
kenny thomas":39tfl9gj said:
Wouldn't this not be like wrapping high moisture hay? If the barrels are airtight once the oxygen is used up it can't spoil.

That's kinda of what I was thinking. :?
Well I didn't know we were going to think about this...........:) In that case how many " air tight" drums are we talking about?
I would rig up some sort of contraption to draw all the air / moisture content down to something acceptable that would insure no or less of a loss of the feed. Kind of like evacuating an A/C system before a recharge. Question I have would be how much benefit is " dry" millet?

We're talking about 30,000 kilos of grain sorghum, each drum holding 175 kilos+ so something on the order of 170 drums. The clean drums, black in color, are first placed in the sun for a couple of hours to heat them up, and then filled to capacity with the grain. They're then sealed tightly and moved to a cool, covered shed with concrete walls and stored there until needed.

As for the benefit of the sorghum, it's later ground, mixed with other feeds and fed to my free-range hogs as a supplement to their diets.
 
I guess if you have the drums and the available labor.........why not just build a silo? I saw your concrete area that you store the drums in an earlier post. I figured you were just going to store it in the concrete bunkers loose.......where did you get the drums? Didn't they do it that way in order to transport it somewhere easier?
 
Kingfisher":14owga92 said:
I guess if you have the drums and the available labor.........why not just build a silo? I saw your concrete area that you store the drums in an earlier post. I figured you were just going to store it in the concrete bunkers loose.......where did you get the drums? Didn't they do it that way in order to transport it somewhere easier?

KF, the silo you saw in that other thread is to store green pasture and the plant material from corn and sorghum left over after the grain is harvested, not the grain itself. We're talking about two entirely separate feed projects here. These drums will be stored in a covered shed with concrete walls, not in a silo.

I buy the drums locally. They originally come with solvents used in the local oil industry and are sold to the aftermarket once the solvents have been used.
 
Just curious if you've sealed one up for a couple of weeks then opened it? I know it can be awfully hard to get some odors out of barrles. We have one that had pickled garlix shipped in it. We've had it 5 years and have tried everything and any feed we put in it the cows won;t eat because of the stink. That's after a year of being left open and outside and 6 months half full of charcoal and sealed up.
 
dun":1vomfh6d said:
Just curious if you've sealed one up for a couple of weeks then opened it? I know it can be awfully hard to get some odors out of barrles. We have one that had pickled garlix shipped in it. We've had it 5 years and have tried everything and any feed we put in it the cows won;t eat because of the stink. That's after a year of being left open and outside and 6 months half full of charcoal and sealed up.

I haven't done any tests on the palatability of the stored products yet. The information I'm passing along is based on what other's here typically have done for longterm storage of both corn and sorghum for animal feeds.

We've washed the drums with gasoline and detergent and honestly, I can't smell a thing even with my nose stuck in the barrels. :?
 
TexasBred":27v05e38 said:
Already got the barrels. Seems you've got your mind made up. Hope it works. Bring us up to date in a few months.
A little sugar, yeast a worm and heat and that would be some gooooood stuff
 
TexasBred":3nu3zohv said:
Already got the barrels. Seems you've got your mind made up. Hope it works. Bring us up to date in a few months.

Yup, I've got to do something. We're storing the sorghum in open bins right now and that's not going to work for a longterm solution.

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novaman":4u0j4p3u said:
Ever considered putting up a grain bin of some sort?

Of course. But just so you can get an appreciation for where I am with this place, I got started in January of 2007. I'm working with just under 1000 acres that basically had NOTHING when I bought it. That implies the need to clear land, build fences, plant pasture, build farm ponds, install an irrigation system, build corrals and handling facilities for 250 head of cattle, build a 40 acre hogpen for free-range hogs, etc etc etc.

I figure one of these days soon I'll get around to installing a grain bin of some sort. Right now, I'm tired. :D
 
I figured there would be a good reason but it never hurts to ask. Around here I could pick up an old corrugated steel bin for pretty cheap as everybody is moving to hopper bottoms. I suppose around there grain bins are not as common of an item.
 
novaman":34m9rvq9 said:
I figured there would be a good reason but it never hurts to ask. Around here I could pick up an old corrugated steel bin for pretty cheap as everybody is moving to hopper bottoms. I suppose around there grain bins are not as common of an item.

I actually saw a bin laying on its side at a place not too far from mine and figured I'd ask the property owner what shape it's in and if he'd be interested in selling it. It's a setup like the one pictured below though obviously not in this condition. Would something like this work well for sorghum storage? I'd say it'd be about 20 feet high and 6 or 8 feet across.

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whitewing":3s9021eb said:
novaman":3s9021eb said:
Ever considered putting up a grain bin of some sort?

Of course. But just so you can get an appreciation for where I am with this place, I got started in January of 2007. I'm working with just under 1000 acres that basically had NOTHING when I bought it. That implies the need to clear land, build fences, plant pasture, build farm ponds, install an irrigation system, build corrals and handling facilities for 250 head of cattle, build a 40 acre hogpen for free-range hogs, etc etc etc.

I figure one of these days soon I'll get around to installing a grain bin of some sort. Right now, I'm tired. :D
Your doing an awesome job from what I see! How did you get there ? Where are you from originally? Thanks in advance. You need any more help? :)
 

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