State land and BLM

[cross_7]

I see ranches listed that have a few deeded acres and several thousand acres of state and BLM attached to the property
Some of these places ain't cheap considering you are only buying a few deeded acres
Other than the fact you don't own the land and have to pay a lease, what are the disadvantages, pitfalls and etc of these ranches ?

 

[3waycross]

I see ranches listed that have a few deeded acres and several thousand acres of state and BLM attached to the property
Some of these places ain't cheap considering you are only buying a few deeded acres
Other than the fact you don't own the land and have to pay a lease, what are the disadvantages, pitfalls and etc of these ranches ?

LOTS of inexpensive grazing. However it's all subject to the conditions in any given year. The BLM still decides when you can go out or even if you can turn out at all based on the forage available and even when there is grass if there is not water then you can't go out anyway.

Sometimes when you buy these permits you have to buy the cows that are already on them. I do not pretend to understand it all but these things i have described are true!

 

[dun]

In addition you are subject to the whims of washington. Areas we used to run cows in the Seirra were still open to grazing but you could only go onto them either afoot or by horse rather then use a vehicle of any kind.

 

[3waycross]

In addition you are subject to the whims of washington. Areas we used to run cows in the Seirra were still open to grazing but you could only go onto them either afoot or by horse rather then use a vehicle of any kind.

My cow manager runs on the BLM and National forrest. Separate leases and different agencies. Sometimes it's a freakin regulatory nightmare!

 

[dun]

In addition you are subject to the whims of washington. Areas we used to run cows in the Seirra were still open to grazing but you could only go onto them either afoot or by horse rather then use a vehicle of any kind.

My cow manager runs on the BLM and National forrest. Separate leases and different agencies. Sometimes it's a freakin regulatory nightmare!

One of our gather pens waas back a ways down a 2 track. We would gather there then go back with a pot to get them. That was stopped so we had to build new pens closer to the road (vandalism) and push them an extra mile to get them there.

 

[cross_7]

This one for example seems like a good deal for 300 cows but there are 0 deeded acres
If for some reason you lose the state and blm your are sol
http://www.ranchworldads.com/classified ... ting=22834

 

[djinwa]

Reminds me years ago the rancher my brother cowboyed for was told by a new Forest Service guy that he had too many cows. When the rancher asked how he knew how many cows there were, the guy said he was counting the cowpies on the mountain road and plugging that number into a formula to get a head count.

That didn't go very far.

 

[NMVaquero]

We run on both blm and forest service.
Currently no cattle is allowed on our permit with the blm due to the drought.

 

[cross_7]

That would be another concern, I understand drought and reducing numbers, no cows at all could be a real problem

 

[3waycross]

We run on both blm and forest service.
Currently no cattle is allowed on our permit with the blm due to the drought.

That's exactly what i was talking about!

 

[NMVaquero]

This one for example seems like a good deal for 300 cows but there are 0 deeded acres
If for some reason you lose the state and blm your are sol
http://www.ranchworldads.com/classified ... ting=22834

Actually in our area, you are required to have enough deeded land to keep your cows in the event the blm does decide to pull you off.

 

[cross_7]

This one for example seems like a good deal for 300 cows but there are 0 deeded acres
If for some reason you lose the state and blm your are sol
http://www.ranchworldads.com/classified ... ting=22834

Actually in our area, you are required to have enough deeded land to keep your cows in the event the blm does decide to pull you off.

I don't see the deeded land being a problem unless they require the deeded land to be local.
It wouldn't be too tough to show enough deeded land in another state
Now in a drought situation after dropping 650k for grazing rights, then being told you can't graze any whatsoever could be a problem
I think it has been proven overgrazing as well is under grazing is not good for the land
I have a 16' x 16' area where hunters had a deer feeder they took but left the panels
I can show you after the 2011/2012 drought the ungrazed area did not recover as well as the grazed(light grazed)

 

[ChrisB]

This one for example seems like a good deal for 300 cows but there are 0 deeded acres
If for some reason you lose the state and blm your are sol
http://www.ranchworldads.com/classified ... ting=22834

Actually in our area, you are required to have enough deeded land to keep your cows in the event the blm does decide to pull you off.

If I had enough deeded land to run my cow why would I need blm land in the first place? Or would that include hay and crop land? What if I ran stockers? Could I just decide to sell some cows or not buy as many stockers to run? How many years are the grazing rights?

Thanks

 

[NMVaquero]

If I had enough deeded land to run my cow why would I need blm land in the first place?
In the event the blm pulls you off and most permits are seasonal, winter or summer only.

Or would that include hay and crop land? The land has to support the same number of head as the balm land.
What if I ran stockers? Could I just decide to sell some cows or not buy as many stockers to run? How many years are the grazing rights? Indefinite in our case. As long as we pay the fees and don't fight the blm when they pi$$ you off for being dumb.

Thanks