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<blockquote data-quote="Ky hills" data-source="post: 1809851" data-attributes="member: 24816"><p>To add on to what I said earlier about genetics and environment I believe can manifest to varying degrees depending on the individual and variables in the environment and or possibly just how the genes line up and come down.</p><p>I've had a few calves that were on cows for a a week or so and noticed thy weren't getting enough milk or for whatever reason. Sometimes those calves never settle down to the point where you can get close to them outside of them taking a bottle. Sone do some and some don't. </p><p>I believe that calves learn a lot early on from the cows. If some cows with new borns that are up and going see you they take off with their calves. That is bound to leave an impression on that calf. Then with several kinds of predators around the cows are on high alert even when we are not in the field around them. </p><p>As pertaining to the genetic factor, they can get it likely both or either or environmental and genetically from the cow. </p><p>The bull can also play a role, in the genetic expression disposition of his calves.</p><p>I mentioned earlier about an AI bull I used several years ago. Of the heifers I bred him to, one was very docile and one was average not bad but a little flighty when it came to handling.</p><p>Both calves were crazy.</p><p>I bought a bred registered Hereford heifer several years ago. She was fairly calm and nothing out of the ordinary disposition wise. The calf that she had was to me almost proof of red and white Simmentals being used somewhere back in the Hereford breed. That calf looked more like a Sim and had more of a continental breed temperament too.</p><p>He was a little standoffish, but not bad at all around us. If he saw somebody else he acted like a bucking bull in a rodeo spinning around and throwing his head up.</p><p>He was a real good bull, good growthy larger framed offspring. The issue was that a pretty good percentage of his calves were crazy wild purebred Herefords included. </p><p>One of the craziest was a purebred Hereford #7 heifer that we retained, she was always a little skittish but like her sire she got worse with time. Her first calf was a heifer by our registered Angus herd bull. I thought that the calf would be more of a problem and figured on selling her at weaning. When we would go out on the SxS to check the cattle and as usual #7 would see us in the distance and take off from two hills away while the rest of cattle you could drive right by.</p><p>One evening we saw her and her calf then about close to weaning age standing together while going down the road. Pulled into the field and noticed #7 taking off like a bat out of heck, but her calf just stood her ground looking around just as if to say what was that all about.</p><p>After that I softened my stance on her calf. The calf is not a pet by any stretch but isn't overly flighty. I think the calves from that Angus bull are much better tempered, than most bulls we have had. </p><p>They are larger framed females and still some are apt to kick and because they are fairly tall they can whip around and kick pretty high, but generally not an unexpected thing when working through them.</p><p>Our current senior bull is a 3/4 Angus and is a son of that Angus bull, his mother is out of a registered Angus cow and the aforementioned flighty Hereford bull. </p><p>The calves by that 3/4 bull are mostly even calmer than those of his sire, but on occasion when mated to another descendant of that Hereford bull, the crazy can come though again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ky hills, post: 1809851, member: 24816"] To add on to what I said earlier about genetics and environment I believe can manifest to varying degrees depending on the individual and variables in the environment and or possibly just how the genes line up and come down. I’ve had a few calves that were on cows for a a week or so and noticed thy weren’t getting enough milk or for whatever reason. Sometimes those calves never settle down to the point where you can get close to them outside of them taking a bottle. Sone do some and some don’t. I believe that calves learn a lot early on from the cows. If some cows with new borns that are up and going see you they take off with their calves. That is bound to leave an impression on that calf. Then with several kinds of predators around the cows are on high alert even when we are not in the field around them. As pertaining to the genetic factor, they can get it likely both or either or environmental and genetically from the cow. The bull can also play a role, in the genetic expression disposition of his calves. I mentioned earlier about an AI bull I used several years ago. Of the heifers I bred him to, one was very docile and one was average not bad but a little flighty when it came to handling. Both calves were crazy. I bought a bred registered Hereford heifer several years ago. She was fairly calm and nothing out of the ordinary disposition wise. The calf that she had was to me almost proof of red and white Simmentals being used somewhere back in the Hereford breed. That calf looked more like a Sim and had more of a continental breed temperament too. He was a little standoffish, but not bad at all around us. If he saw somebody else he acted like a bucking bull in a rodeo spinning around and throwing his head up. He was a real good bull, good growthy larger framed offspring. The issue was that a pretty good percentage of his calves were crazy wild purebred Herefords included. One of the craziest was a purebred Hereford #7 heifer that we retained, she was always a little skittish but like her sire she got worse with time. Her first calf was a heifer by our registered Angus herd bull. I thought that the calf would be more of a problem and figured on selling her at weaning. When we would go out on the SxS to check the cattle and as usual #7 would see us in the distance and take off from two hills away while the rest of cattle you could drive right by. One evening we saw her and her calf then about close to weaning age standing together while going down the road. Pulled into the field and noticed #7 taking off like a bat out of heck, but her calf just stood her ground looking around just as if to say what was that all about. After that I softened my stance on her calf. The calf is not a pet by any stretch but isn’t overly flighty. I think the calves from that Angus bull are much better tempered, than most bulls we have had. They are larger framed females and still some are apt to kick and because they are fairly tall they can whip around and kick pretty high, but generally not an unexpected thing when working through them. Our current senior bull is a 3/4 Angus and is a son of that Angus bull, his mother is out of a registered Angus cow and the aforementioned flighty Hereford bull. The calves by that 3/4 bull are mostly even calmer than those of his sire, but on occasion when mated to another descendant of that Hereford bull, the crazy can come though again. [/QUOTE]
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