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<blockquote data-quote="Ky hills" data-source="post: 1808668" data-attributes="member: 24816"><p>I find it so amusing and frustrating at the same time how people twist things around to justify something. </p><p>A lot of people think that I must be anti Angus which isn't true at all, over half of our herd is black or black white face and most all of that comes from Angus. I e used Angus bulls for around 20 years. They can be good cattle and do a lot of things right. They are however, like any other breed in that they are not perfect.</p><p>They have several problems as a breed in the same sense that Herefords or Simmentals, Charolais etc. have negatives that they have been known for.</p><p>Largely most of the issues with Angus are fairly new, in my estimation it is a result of breeding by numbers and constant reliance on using the AI bull of the month generation after generation. </p><p>If people really believe that Angus are more pure than other breeds they are very likely mistaken. </p><p>Like [USER=694]@Caustic Burno[/USER] said, you don't get a 2000# animal from 1000# animals overnight without bringing in other breeds that are capable of doing that.</p><p>It's not just Angus, the same can be said of Herefords. </p><p>It's true that CAB doesn't promote Simmentals or anything else, but because those breeds have a lot of black animals it's only logical to think that a significant amount of CAB is genetically as much as half or more Simmental, Hereford, and others. Those Hereford crossed BWF calves should easily make CAB. Those Simmental and SimAngus calves will make CAB too with many being solid black and BWF. </p><p>Pretty sure a lot of Brangus and Brangus cross calves make CAB too, but they wouldn't admit much to that either. </p><p>The CAB started as a way to market Angus bulls, because at the time Angus could not compete with the popular continental breeds that brought more growth. They jumped in the frame race too, and when it came to a screeching halt there were enough Angus left of moderate size that they were able to benefit from the new trend at the time of moderate framed cattle.</p><p>By now people have figured out that other breed bulls crossed on Angus based cows will have more growthy calves than straight bred Angus, hence why Simmentals, Hereford, Brangus bulls are in demand now. </p><p>CB is also right in that there isn't enough Angus to fill those orders for "Angus" beef. If it was only Angus bulls being used and it really was such a good deal then Angus bulls would still be averaging much higher prices than other breeds. </p><p>I've heard several Angus breeders the last few years lamenting that bull sales were slow and that had there were too many of them to move. No doubt a lot of people use Angus bulls and they pay high prices for many of them, but in this area comparison wise, Simmentals and Herefords, are sold pretty fast and comparable or higher priced on average.</p><p>Again understand I'm not bashing Angus or Angus breeders just calling out the propaganda that we've been hearing for years about how superior Angus CAB is and how it's the savior of the cattle industry etc. </p><p>It's not the argument we need to be having. We need to be focused on taking back the beef industry, but obviously sone people are content to be told they are getting a bit of a premium for their cattle. Kind of like being lost in the woods and looking for trees. It's easy to find a tree, and that takes up time and may give a sense of accomplishment but it does nothing to help get out of the woods.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ky hills, post: 1808668, member: 24816"] I find it so amusing and frustrating at the same time how people twist things around to justify something. A lot of people think that I must be anti Angus which isn’t true at all, over half of our herd is black or black white face and most all of that comes from Angus. I e used Angus bulls for around 20 years. They can be good cattle and do a lot of things right. They are however, like any other breed in that they are not perfect. They have several problems as a breed in the same sense that Herefords or Simmentals, Charolais etc. have negatives that they have been known for. Largely most of the issues with Angus are fairly new, in my estimation it is a result of breeding by numbers and constant reliance on using the AI bull of the month generation after generation. If people really believe that Angus are more pure than other breeds they are very likely mistaken. Like [USER=694]@Caustic Burno[/USER] said, you don’t get a 2000# animal from 1000# animals overnight without bringing in other breeds that are capable of doing that. It’s not just Angus, the same can be said of Herefords. It’s true that CAB doesn’t promote Simmentals or anything else, but because those breeds have a lot of black animals it’s only logical to think that a significant amount of CAB is genetically as much as half or more Simmental, Hereford, and others. Those Hereford crossed BWF calves should easily make CAB. Those Simmental and SimAngus calves will make CAB too with many being solid black and BWF. Pretty sure a lot of Brangus and Brangus cross calves make CAB too, but they wouldn’t admit much to that either. The CAB started as a way to market Angus bulls, because at the time Angus could not compete with the popular continental breeds that brought more growth. They jumped in the frame race too, and when it came to a screeching halt there were enough Angus left of moderate size that they were able to benefit from the new trend at the time of moderate framed cattle. By now people have figured out that other breed bulls crossed on Angus based cows will have more growthy calves than straight bred Angus, hence why Simmentals, Hereford, Brangus bulls are in demand now. CB is also right in that there isn’t enough Angus to fill those orders for “Angus” beef. If it was only Angus bulls being used and it really was such a good deal then Angus bulls would still be averaging much higher prices than other breeds. I’ve heard several Angus breeders the last few years lamenting that bull sales were slow and that had there were too many of them to move. No doubt a lot of people use Angus bulls and they pay high prices for many of them, but in this area comparison wise, Simmentals and Herefords, are sold pretty fast and comparable or higher priced on average. Again understand I’m not bashing Angus or Angus breeders just calling out the propaganda that we’ve been hearing for years about how superior Angus CAB is and how it’s the savior of the cattle industry etc. It’s not the argument we need to be having. We need to be focused on taking back the beef industry, but obviously sone people are content to be told they are getting a bit of a premium for their cattle. Kind of like being lost in the woods and looking for trees. It’s easy to find a tree, and that takes up time and may give a sense of accomplishment but it does nothing to help get out of the woods. [/QUOTE]
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