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<blockquote data-quote="HerefordSire" data-source="post: 572217" data-attributes="member: 4437"><p>As previously stated many times, my target frame size is between 6-8 frame. I am waiting for the judges to score so I can get a medal. </p><p></p><p>I think Brandonn22 was encouraging me to believe the way he believes, much like you may be, in regards to efficiency. I believe the topic in question, when we discuss frame size, is efficiency, even if the entire ranching public desires frame 11 cattle. I have studied allot about the subject but have very little experience. The most recent article I have read was Kit Pharo in a nice write up in the July Hereford World. He likes frame 2-4. I like frame 6-8. In my interpretation, he writes that more moderate cattle can consume the same amount of grass per acre thereby producing more calves and more pounds of marketable meat per acre even though the calves may be lighter weight and have more skulls and bones.</p><p></p><p>So back to efficiency and a simple question (LOL): name one cow-calf rancher making a profit raising 2-6 frame size 1,200 pound cattle (or whatever size and weight you recommend) that have an average amount of overhead, and that average overhead should contain entities containing a land payment and those that don't have a land payment. If you located one, how many head do they run? What part of the country are they in? What are the averages of their most recenty soil sample? What is their averasge rainfall in inches for the last year, last 10 years, and then the last 50 years? Do they have an outside job when calculating their income or are they full time ranchers? What pedigree does the average animal have? What breed are the cattle? Do they have other family members help them? How many assets do they have such as barns and silos and fences, etc. I can keep going on, but you get the point.</p><p></p><p>Even if Mr. Pharo is making a profit with a host of variables that are different from my environment, I believe he can become more efficient and I don't think he has yet to discover the most efficient frame size and or weight. However, at least he is trying, and I admire that in a person.</p><p></p><p>What we should probably be measuring is the total gross proceeds per acre before any expenses or other costs are deducted and then go from there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HerefordSire, post: 572217, member: 4437"] As previously stated many times, my target frame size is between 6-8 frame. I am waiting for the judges to score so I can get a medal. I think Brandonn22 was encouraging me to believe the way he believes, much like you may be, in regards to efficiency. I believe the topic in question, when we discuss frame size, is efficiency, even if the entire ranching public desires frame 11 cattle. I have studied allot about the subject but have very little experience. The most recent article I have read was Kit Pharo in a nice write up in the July Hereford World. He likes frame 2-4. I like frame 6-8. In my interpretation, he writes that more moderate cattle can consume the same amount of grass per acre thereby producing more calves and more pounds of marketable meat per acre even though the calves may be lighter weight and have more skulls and bones. So back to efficiency and a simple question (LOL): name one cow-calf rancher making a profit raising 2-6 frame size 1,200 pound cattle (or whatever size and weight you recommend) that have an average amount of overhead, and that average overhead should contain entities containing a land payment and those that don't have a land payment. If you located one, how many head do they run? What part of the country are they in? What are the averages of their most recenty soil sample? What is their averasge rainfall in inches for the last year, last 10 years, and then the last 50 years? Do they have an outside job when calculating their income or are they full time ranchers? What pedigree does the average animal have? What breed are the cattle? Do they have other family members help them? How many assets do they have such as barns and silos and fences, etc. I can keep going on, but you get the point. Even if Mr. Pharo is making a profit with a host of variables that are different from my environment, I believe he can become more efficient and I don't think he has yet to discover the most efficient frame size and or weight. However, at least he is trying, and I admire that in a person. What we should probably be measuring is the total gross proceeds per acre before any expenses or other costs are deducted and then go from there. [/QUOTE]
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