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<blockquote data-quote="Brandonm22" data-source="post: 571724" data-attributes="member: 7645"><p>I never said that big bulls were worthless. They work great as terminal sires. I bet OB joyful used on Angus or Brangus cows too produce market baldies would work great. He would also work well in purebred programs like George's that does not want to be moderate. All I am saying is that IF your goal is too produce that moderate framed 1200 lb cow that all the extension people are talking about now, he has too much frame, length, depth (normally a good thing), volume, thickness, and subtance of bone for you to ever breed his daughters down to a 1200 cow still with some thickness and capacity. We used to have a poster on here that bred and showed some of the finest, nicest, thickest, most eye appealling Herefords you have ever seen anywhere; BUT they were mini-Herefords. He had the reserve champion.....and I thought the judge messed up BIG TIME on that final pair. I think he was frame 00 or something like that. As good as he was, you would mess up the cattle if you tried too breed his progeny up to a 5 (talk to some of the old timers who lived through the era where the industry did just that). Dittoe with Joyful. You would have a hard time breeding his (I am guessing here) typical 1750 lb daughters down to a 1200 lb cow without losing something along the way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brandonm22, post: 571724, member: 7645"] I never said that big bulls were worthless. They work great as terminal sires. I bet OB joyful used on Angus or Brangus cows too produce market baldies would work great. He would also work well in purebred programs like George's that does not want to be moderate. All I am saying is that IF your goal is too produce that moderate framed 1200 lb cow that all the extension people are talking about now, he has too much frame, length, depth (normally a good thing), volume, thickness, and subtance of bone for you to ever breed his daughters down to a 1200 cow still with some thickness and capacity. We used to have a poster on here that bred and showed some of the finest, nicest, thickest, most eye appealling Herefords you have ever seen anywhere; BUT they were mini-Herefords. He had the reserve champion.....and I thought the judge messed up BIG TIME on that final pair. I think he was frame 00 or something like that. As good as he was, you would mess up the cattle if you tried too breed his progeny up to a 5 (talk to some of the old timers who lived through the era where the industry did just that). Dittoe with Joyful. You would have a hard time breeding his (I am guessing here) typical 1750 lb daughters down to a 1200 lb cow without losing something along the way. [/QUOTE]
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