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<blockquote data-quote="CPL" data-source="post: 571223" data-attributes="member: 6346"><p>I think we need to be careful. Much as frame was a single trait selection in the past it could come back again just under the term moderation.</p><p></p><p>I am seeing too many people stop give up good genetics just because they are a little bigger.</p><p></p><p>Brandon you seem to be missing the point. You say you wouldn't want 50 of 57H's daughters in your pasture. How would you like granddaughters or greatgrandaughters that were around 5-6 frame easy fleshing, hardy and practical? Most people just look at the cross and red flags go up, but I look at the cross and think what I would do with the cross. Yes the cross would be considerably larger than average, but that doesn't mean the length, the depth, the power won't be there. I would love to bred 50 57H daughters to a moderate framed hereford bull that complemented them. I guess I just don't believe that larger frame is enough to cull. Larger Frame cows can be easy keeping. They can be deep ribbed, sound, etc. My cow is about 6.8 frame. Her heifer that I have is about 6.0 frame. If the frame moved 0.8 in one generation, and using the 57H bull I'd want to move atleast 1 frame score maybe two, how long would that take. About 2-3 yrs. if my results are average. </p><p></p><p>If I had 50 cows and the only thing you said was your with them is their mature weights I would be the happiest man in the world. I look at frame score just like anything else. If you want a cow to be deeper bodied you breed her to a thick bull. If you want a larger frame cow more moderate in her mature size you breed her to a moderate bull. I just don't see how frame is the automatic throw out of good cows. I'll repeat again just because they have a little larger frame doesn't mean they are worthless.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CPL, post: 571223, member: 6346"] I think we need to be careful. Much as frame was a single trait selection in the past it could come back again just under the term moderation. I am seeing too many people stop give up good genetics just because they are a little bigger. Brandon you seem to be missing the point. You say you wouldn't want 50 of 57H's daughters in your pasture. How would you like granddaughters or greatgrandaughters that were around 5-6 frame easy fleshing, hardy and practical? Most people just look at the cross and red flags go up, but I look at the cross and think what I would do with the cross. Yes the cross would be considerably larger than average, but that doesn't mean the length, the depth, the power won't be there. I would love to bred 50 57H daughters to a moderate framed hereford bull that complemented them. I guess I just don't believe that larger frame is enough to cull. Larger Frame cows can be easy keeping. They can be deep ribbed, sound, etc. My cow is about 6.8 frame. Her heifer that I have is about 6.0 frame. If the frame moved 0.8 in one generation, and using the 57H bull I'd want to move atleast 1 frame score maybe two, how long would that take. About 2-3 yrs. if my results are average. If I had 50 cows and the only thing you said was your with them is their mature weights I would be the happiest man in the world. I look at frame score just like anything else. If you want a cow to be deeper bodied you breed her to a thick bull. If you want a larger frame cow more moderate in her mature size you breed her to a moderate bull. I just don't see how frame is the automatic throw out of good cows. I'll repeat again just because they have a little larger frame doesn't mean they are worthless. [/QUOTE]
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