Sire and son in tank

[Alan]

I'm shopping around for a 3 or 4 more bulls to add to my tank, Hereford semen. I like the Rib eye bull along with the SHF Progress bull. My question is; is there much to gain by adding SHF Rib Eye to my tank when I already have plenty of M326 in the tank? The same goes for the Progress bull, I already have 242 in the tank. The EPD's are pretty similar. To me, it doesn't seem there is much or anything to gain by adding a son to the tank. Am I missing anything?

Thanks,
Alan

 

[KNERSIE]

I'm shopping around for a 3 or 4 more bulls to add to my tank, Hereford semen. I like the Rib eye bull along with the SHF Progress bull. My question is; is there much to gain by adding SHF Rib Eye to my tank when I already have plenty of M326 in the tank? The same goes for the Progress bull, I already have 242 in the tank. The EPD's are pretty similar. To me, it doesn't seem there is much or anything to gain by adding a son to the tank. Am I missing anything?

Thanks,
Alan

Identifying a superior sire is the first step in linebreeding, identifying a superior son is the second step and possibly the one where most breeding programs fail.

I would be ecstatic if I can find a very good son of my main AI sire out of cows that might posess characteristics I may need in my herd.

 

[oakcreekfarms]

You are getting a better BW and CW with Rib Eye, and retaining good carcass merit and moderating your EPD's. I have both in my tank. I won't use 242 ever, but have liked what I have gotten out of progress (minus some of the horns) I have seen too many frail 242 daughters, but have had some good encounters with progress daughters. Maybe it had more to do with the producer and management then the cattle themselves. If you don't care about horns what about Harland, or Neon.

 

[KNERSIE]

You are getting a better BW and CW with Rib Eye, and retaining good carcass merit and moderating your EPD's. I have both in my tank. I won't use 242 ever, but have liked what I have gotten out of progress (minus some of the horns) I have seen too many frail 242 daughters, but have had some good encounters with progress daughters. Maybe it had more to do with the producer and management then the cattle themselves. If you don't care about horns what about Harland, or Neon.

Is Progress horned or just heterozygous polled? Rib Eye is heterozygous polled, so expect a few horned calves out of him too.

 

[rocket2222]

I've had 2 different breeders tell me in the past 2 months that their most consistent calves [sire group] in terms of overall quality, was by Radar, one of those breeders also used M236 and Ribeye.

 

[oakcreekfarms]

I liked the Radar calves, not as much as the rib eyes though. Plus for the semen price I will stick with Rib eye and M326. Just read what kevin says about him on his website, it sums it up pretty well. From the breeders I have talked to they vary on their BW, and have more frame and length. They also carry a lot of meat, and should have a lot of carcass traits to them.

Since i am pushing IMF in my herd and still wanting to maintain REA, as well as focusing on keeping my cows in the frame 5.5 with 80lb calves i will use ribeye. I hope to get a M326 or Ribeye son bought at Kevins sale this March, I have been out there 5 or so times and really liked the set of calves he is offering

 

[CPL]

You are getting a better BW and CW with Rib Eye, and retaining good carcass merit and moderating your EPD's. I have both in my tank. I won't use 242 ever, but have liked what I have gotten out of progress (minus some of the horns) I have seen too many frail 242 daughters, but have had some good encounters with progress daughters. Maybe it had more to do with the producer and management then the cattle themselves. If you don't care about horns what about Harland, or Neon.

Is there a chance that with 242 as the great- grandsire that his influence could show up in some of the Progress progeny's calves? I guess I just don't see if you don't like a bull why you would risk using one of his sons.

 

[oakcreekfarms]

I bought some cows that were bred to him, I haven't ever had any of his semen on the place. However, these calves and some others that I have seen changed my mind. I saw some frail cattle out of 242, I can truthfully say I haven't seen anything that lacked muscle out of Progress. My preferences aren't carried by everyone. I like some remitall in the cattle, so Progress suits me better

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

Alan, if you don't mind horns, take a look at the 2007 July issue of the Hereford World. Find the Day Herefords ad. That bull in the ad has been collected, and you will be able to buy semen on him. He would give you a quantum leap in thickness, disposition, udder quality, and longevity. I have butchered four or five of his near relatives over the last several years, and the carcass quality has been excellent.

 

[KNERSIE]

Alan, if you don't mind horns, take a look at the 2007 July issue of the Hereford World. Find the Day Herefords ad. That bull in the ad has been collected, and you will be able to buy semen on him. He would give you a quantum leap in thickness, disposition, udder quality, and longevity. I have butchered four or five of his near relatives over the last several years, and the carcass quality has been excellent.

I don't get the Hereford World, so I have to ask.

Is it Day Zato Tone 943?

 

[hereford_jock]

i would also like to know if he is talking about he 943 bull?

 

[KNERSIE]

i would also like to know if he is talking about he 943 bull?

He was, we communicated via e-mails or pms shortly after this thread. Haven't heard from Greenwillow in ages though, anyone know what is up with him?

 

[Alan]

Harley or anyone,

Can you help me understand the WW and YW EPD of this bull, I see that he a 1999 model, but why so low?

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 6&9=525D5C

Thanks,
Alan

 

[KNERSIE]

Its because of a lack or data. 943 progeny hasn't got a single YW recorded and only 47 calves with a WW recorded. 943's sire has only got 1 WW and 1 YW recorded and his dam has only 2 BW's recorded.

Its also older bloodlines from a relatively closed genepool making for very little genetic coupling with other well used sires with more complete data within the breed. Its simply a case of you cannot make comparisons if there is nothing to compare it to.

If Richard Day used say Online 122l on some of his calves and the calves of 943 compared well to the 122l calves in the same contemporary group, 943's EPDs will skyrocket to a more realistic level.

 

[JHH]

i would also like to know if he is talking about he 943 bull?

He was, we communicated via e-mails or pms shortly after this thread. Haven't heard from Greenwillow in ages though, anyone know what is up with him?

I got a phone call from him before memorial day and he said his computer crashed. Havent heard or called him to find out any more.

 

[JHH]

Harley or anyone,

Can you help me understand the WW and YW EPD of this bull, I see that he a 1999 model, but why so low?

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 6&9=525D5C

Thanks,
Alan

If you dont mind the horns I THINK this bull would do you a world of good.

 

[hereford_jock]

Has anyone seen the 943 bull? I saw where they put him in the July issue of the HW and from the facts stated a 5.5 frame bull weighing 2300 lbs is a meat wagon. I am thinking about using this bull to moderize frame while adding muscle. However i do not know to much about the bloodlines on this bull.

 

[rocket2222]

Here's his performance data from the AHA

Personally, I would stick with bloodlines that I already have, unless you want to completely change the direction of your program, and this bull offers something that your herd really needs.

 

[JHH]

I have talked with both owners of the bull.

I am not trying to bash him in any manner, but the owner in possession did tell me they had trouble with both of the bulls eyes. His right and left.

What kind of eye trouble? I talked with Mr. pollested and he never said anything about eye trouble. He visted our farm and I have 20 staws. This was in March. I would of thought he would of said something although I did not ask. :roll:

 

[Brandonm22]

This is probably the most intriguing bull in the Hereford breed right now. I like the picture, I like the height/weight combo, but I am not familiar with ANYTHING in the pedigree. I would love to see calves by this bull and see how they grow out and ratio versus calves by bulls like Legend 242, Vic K16, Schu-Lar 5N, Moler, Git er Done, etc; but I don't know that I would spend MY money this early on. Somebody needs to be adventurous and go ahead and use him on a good set of cows; but doing that involves a great deal of risk.