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<blockquote data-quote="simme" data-source="post: 1799451" data-attributes="member: 40418"><p>Based on the simmental dna genomic testing I have done, it appears that the milk epd is not included in genomic enhanced epds. That epd did not change on the ones I have done. On this bull, notice that the accuracy listed for the milk epd is only 13%. Accuracies for CE, BW, WW, YH, ADG are around 40% - higher due to the genomic testing. Point is that his milk epd seems to be only based on parent epd's and not very accurate. A visual of his dam and and siblings might be more accurate. Simmental offers a 100k HD genomics test and a microLD test that I think is a 9k test. Note sure which the bull had, but I suspect the low density based on the accuracies shown. No actual weaning weight or yearling weight was submitted for the bull.</p><p></p><p>This bull has a +3.8 bw epd. Across breed adjustment factor for bw (converts to angus AAA basis) for simmental is +1.9. Add 1.9 to 3.8 to get 5.7. So the across breed estimate is that this bull would be "equal" to a +5.7 for an angus bull.</p><p></p><p>Another way to compare. There are many angus bulls in the simmental database. I searched the simmental database for an angus bull with a 3.8 bw epd and found Nichols Trust H236. Looked him up in the AAA database and he is +5.4 there (bottom 5% in the AAA database). So similar comparison between the two methods. So yes, this bull would be predicted to be comparable to an angus bull of around a 5.5 bw epd. I don't think there are published numbers for CE epd comparison across breeds. The "experts" advise to place more emphasis on CE epd than BW epd. SAV Harvestor is 4.3 in the simmental database. GAR Gridmaker is 3.3 in the simmental database.</p><p></p><p>Simmental database also lists genetic conditions under the "Traittrac" button. Status of defects and other genetic conditions of an animal will be shown if available.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="simme, post: 1799451, member: 40418"] Based on the simmental dna genomic testing I have done, it appears that the milk epd is not included in genomic enhanced epds. That epd did not change on the ones I have done. On this bull, notice that the accuracy listed for the milk epd is only 13%. Accuracies for CE, BW, WW, YH, ADG are around 40% - higher due to the genomic testing. Point is that his milk epd seems to be only based on parent epd's and not very accurate. A visual of his dam and and siblings might be more accurate. Simmental offers a 100k HD genomics test and a microLD test that I think is a 9k test. Note sure which the bull had, but I suspect the low density based on the accuracies shown. No actual weaning weight or yearling weight was submitted for the bull. This bull has a +3.8 bw epd. Across breed adjustment factor for bw (converts to angus AAA basis) for simmental is +1.9. Add 1.9 to 3.8 to get 5.7. So the across breed estimate is that this bull would be "equal" to a +5.7 for an angus bull. Another way to compare. There are many angus bulls in the simmental database. I searched the simmental database for an angus bull with a 3.8 bw epd and found Nichols Trust H236. Looked him up in the AAA database and he is +5.4 there (bottom 5% in the AAA database). So similar comparison between the two methods. So yes, this bull would be predicted to be comparable to an angus bull of around a 5.5 bw epd. I don't think there are published numbers for CE epd comparison across breeds. The "experts" advise to place more emphasis on CE epd than BW epd. SAV Harvestor is 4.3 in the simmental database. GAR Gridmaker is 3.3 in the simmental database. Simmental database also lists genetic conditions under the "Traittrac" button. Status of defects and other genetic conditions of an animal will be shown if available. [/QUOTE]
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