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<blockquote data-quote="Lucky_P" data-source="post: 1178424" data-attributes="member: 12607"><p>Meant to take some photos while they were up in the barnlot being fed; just never got around to it; have a few fairly recent pasture photos - but usually was taking those right after a move to a new paddock, so they were hard to catch standing still... Have no idea how to post photos to this board. </p><p></p><p>Range on weight loss was pretty variable - they can graze and drink with the nose tabs in - but most spend a lot of time, at least for the first day or so - standing next to the dam; most losses were in the 30-40 lb range. Older veterinarian friend of mine suggested that most of that weight loss is probably water loss that's pretty rapidly replaced, once they get over the initial deprivation. The calf that only dropped 4 lbs probably just went along as if nothing had ever happened, and may not have been relying on his dam for all that much. Next smallest weight loss was the one calf that figured out how to nurse with the tab in - and his weight gain after separation was less than for the other calves. </p><p>Weight gains over the 7 days after separation from the dams suggest that if they'd had another week or so, they'd have been right back at their original weight. Sure makes me think that with the next group, we'll keep 'em and feed 'em for 2 weeks before hauling 'em to the salebarn. </p><p></p><p>Spring herd is small - only about 22 cows, and most of the Simmental cows are in that group - and were not included in the Shorthorn breeding trial, as they were bred SM. Got 3 nice SH-cross heifers and one freemartin, twin to the smallest steer. More in the fall group, sired by the same two bulls, as well as 3 or 4 more that were in the tank.</p><p></p><p>Several of the Waukaru bulls are available from Origen. Have used their Goldmine 2109 bull long enough that I regard him as sleep-easy heifer-safe, and don't hesitate to use him on anything here. Gold Card 5042 supposedly heifer-safe, and probably is...we've not used a lot of him, and even though he should have more growth than Goldmine, calves here have not performed as well - but it may be because of the cows we put him in. </p><p>Have been very pleased with the Coppertop 464 calves over the past few years - steers and heifers, alike. Reasonable calving ease, high maternal calving ease, good growth to yearling/weaning - and he possesses most of the tenderness & marbling gene markers. </p><p>But, the Orion 2047 calves blew the doors off of everything in this group - and we'll probably be using him again!</p><p></p><p>Have used some other SH bulls, still too early to see how their daughters are going to perform, but the performance of their steers here has not been as good, across the board, as we've gotten with the Waukaru bulls. </p><p>There are some very good Shorthorn cattle out there - and I'm convinced they bring something to the table that many commercial beef producers could take advantage of...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lucky_P, post: 1178424, member: 12607"] Meant to take some photos while they were up in the barnlot being fed; just never got around to it; have a few fairly recent pasture photos - but usually was taking those right after a move to a new paddock, so they were hard to catch standing still... Have no idea how to post photos to this board. Range on weight loss was pretty variable - they can graze and drink with the nose tabs in - but most spend a lot of time, at least for the first day or so - standing next to the dam; most losses were in the 30-40 lb range. Older veterinarian friend of mine suggested that most of that weight loss is probably water loss that's pretty rapidly replaced, once they get over the initial deprivation. The calf that only dropped 4 lbs probably just went along as if nothing had ever happened, and may not have been relying on his dam for all that much. Next smallest weight loss was the one calf that figured out how to nurse with the tab in - and his weight gain after separation was less than for the other calves. Weight gains over the 7 days after separation from the dams suggest that if they'd had another week or so, they'd have been right back at their original weight. Sure makes me think that with the next group, we'll keep 'em and feed 'em for 2 weeks before hauling 'em to the salebarn. Spring herd is small - only about 22 cows, and most of the Simmental cows are in that group - and were not included in the Shorthorn breeding trial, as they were bred SM. Got 3 nice SH-cross heifers and one freemartin, twin to the smallest steer. More in the fall group, sired by the same two bulls, as well as 3 or 4 more that were in the tank. Several of the Waukaru bulls are available from Origen. Have used their Goldmine 2109 bull long enough that I regard him as sleep-easy heifer-safe, and don't hesitate to use him on anything here. Gold Card 5042 supposedly heifer-safe, and probably is...we've not used a lot of him, and even though he should have more growth than Goldmine, calves here have not performed as well - but it may be because of the cows we put him in. Have been very pleased with the Coppertop 464 calves over the past few years - steers and heifers, alike. Reasonable calving ease, high maternal calving ease, good growth to yearling/weaning - and he possesses most of the tenderness & marbling gene markers. But, the Orion 2047 calves blew the doors off of everything in this group - and we'll probably be using him again! Have used some other SH bulls, still too early to see how their daughters are going to perform, but the performance of their steers here has not been as good, across the board, as we've gotten with the Waukaru bulls. There are some very good Shorthorn cattle out there - and I'm convinced they bring something to the table that many commercial beef producers could take advantage of... [/QUOTE]
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