Shopping for a Gelbvieh bull, need help

[keysbottles]

I have Reg. Angus cows and plan to cross with Gelbvieh bull and keep the heifers as replacements. Gv are not poplar in my area, so I am having problems finding a bull. I ran across this web site http://www.seedstockplus.com. Has anyone had dealings with these people before? Their "Sight Unseen Purchase Program" is very attractive to me because I'm not knowledgeable enough concerning EPD's etc. to make a good judgment. Thanks in advance for your info.

 

[cbcr]

Seedstock plus is a good organization.

Are you looking for a bull to use natural service or AI.

What are your Angus cows like, what would you like to change and see in the resulting offspring?

 

[keysbottles]

Looking for natural service bull. We have 14 head of Angus, plan to increase to 20 head to feed replacements to our commercial herd. I really like what I've seen of the Balancers.

 

[dun]

Might contact someone in arkansas from this list:
http://www.profitpartnersllc.com/investorinfo.htm
Doesn;t look like Arkansas has an association, KS does and I know there are a bunch of breeders in MO

 

[UG]

I agree with cbcr. Seedstock Plus is a good, reputable group of folks with good cattle.

 

[jcarkie]

i have 2 purebred gelbvieh bulls, 1 from judd ranch, KS. one from http://www.gelbvieh.org bull listing. i have been to the seedstock sale in springfield, MO good cattle i was browsing at the time and didn't buy until a year later, i would encourage you to go if you can, get a catalog or look online. the judd ranch bull has some dynomite calves but he was pricey. the other was local, about 30 minutes, away less than half the money. i have never used the sight unseen i am sure they know the bulls better than me.

 

[keysbottles]

With polled, double polled and homo polled gelbvieh bulls,,, will I get any horns with a gelbviehXangus cross?

 

[3waycross]

With polled, double polled and homo polled gelbvieh bulls,,, will I get any horns with a gelbviehXangus cross?

No you shouldn't get any horns.

 

[double v]

Don I got 3 ways message i have your number i will be contacting you to see i i can help you, yes i sell with seedstock plus and i have a couple bulls you might be interested in.

 

[CKC1586]

If you are looking for advise/opinions/information on Gelbvieh "talk" to 3 Way Cross and/or Hillsdown.

 

[hillbillycwo]

3Way helped me greatly in my purchase. I will get those pics to you 3way soon. Been busy playing catch up here at the day job!

 

[WORANCH]

This sale is the 19th in Joplin mo. There're are a few Gelbvieh listed in the sell book, along with video.

http://www.flyinghgenetics.com/MOgrownongrass.html

 

[CKSGelbvieh]

In regards to several questions in this thread:
I have purchased females and bulls from Seedstock Plus site unseen and I am a purebred breeder. John will try his best to find the animal that fits your needs and they will stand behind them. If you do not like them when you see them, you do not own them. The one downfall I have with Seedstock Plus is they seem to have a smaller genetic pool. Only about three primary bloodlines in Carolina Fortune, Governer and 200P2. For a purebred breeder that makes it hard to find what you are looking for. For a commercial man, it means a hopefully uniform set of bulls to pick through even though the bulls come from dozens of breeders.

As per Flying H Genetics, I bought a bull out of their Nebraska sale ten days ago after I drove to Nebraska and went through their entire group of bulls. The Missouri sale is a different creature than their Nebraska sale. Missouri is a grown on grass sale and these are fescue raised bulls that will not have any extra weight, but if you have fescue pastures, what you see is what you get with these bulls and they should withstand the rigors of fescue quite well.

There was a good sale in southern Missouri last Saturday and I was told that they ran out of Gelbvieh bulls before they ran out of buyers. Hopefully this bodes well for the Seedstock Plus and Flying H sales as well.

 

[3waycross]

Flying H only has 5 Gelbvieh Bulls in the sale. #45 is probably the most balanced bull of the bunch and I also liked 75 but his BW is high and the 28 bull is also a good bull he is by far the heaviest and I have seen his Sire in person ...very impressive! 38 would be my 4th pick. 79 has a poor DOC score and a very small ribeye.

 

[CKSGelbvieh]

With polled, double polled and homo polled gelbvieh bulls,,, will I get any horns with a gelbviehXangus cross?

No you shouldn't get any horns.

If the Angus cows are not purebred, if they are just commercial Angus cows, a homozygous polled bull is the only way to ensure no horns. If the Angus cows were purebreds, you could use a horned bull and get not horned calves. With commercial Angus cows, a polled or double polled bull could yield a small percentage of horned calves.

 

[3waycross]

I have Reg. Angus cows and plan to cross with Gelbvieh bull and keep the heifers as replacements. Gv are not poplar in my area, so I am having problems finding a bull. I ran across this web site http://www.seedstockplus.com. Has anyone had dealings with these people before? Their "Sight Unseen Purchase Program" is very attractive to me because I'm not knowledgeable enough concerning EPD's etc. to make a good judgment. Thanks in advance for your info.

This is why I told him he should not get any horns.

 

[dun]

I have Reg. Angus cows and plan to cross with Gelbvieh bull and keep the heifers as replacements. Gv are not poplar in my area, so I am having problems finding a bull. I ran across this web site http://www.seedstockplus.com. Has anyone had dealings with these people before? Their "Sight Unseen Purchase Program" is very attractive to me because I'm not knowledgeable enough concerning EPD's etc. to make a good judgment. Thanks in advance for your info.

This is why I told him he should not get any horns.

Something not addressed is that the offspring while being polled may still carry a horned gene that could pop up in subsequent generations.