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<blockquote data-quote="Dusty" data-source="post: 816233" data-attributes="member: 4585"><p>ok, I will ask you first, when will you start your purebred herd with that $280+ bull as your herdsire? Heck buy an average $10,400 bull and 10 head of heifers to breed him to, and see if if you can remarket them at a year for $2200 average.. Hinkle and Jones bought 25 cows last year from KSU all bred to Networth 4200 and sold their top bulls for $1800 last week at the Iowa Beef Expo, those calves were all raised 5 to 6 miles east of Linn, ks </p><p></p><p>2nd, kelly had the a great start, his dad gets out and kelly only buys the top end.. and has the pasteur to run as many recipts and he wants... then he buys 5175 for I believe 6K and now he is a carrier! then he buys 004 for $19k (i will check that back, but i think that may be high) from Trowbridge and the rest is history.... </p><p></p><p>3rd, Cattle raised in his conditions, mid August when JAKE and I had cattle out in 100 degree heat for 14 days straight and 90+ for 47 days the Genex tour visited SAV and temps were 76-84 for the days there were there in August... Also little to no flies compared to our Midwest (kansas, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska) area. Had 4 visitors from that tour come to Kansas the following weekend and by noon they wanted to retire to the hotels for relief... Our Cattle here don't get Air Conditioning.. and they all had questions about flies and last year was not a bad year for flies.. </p><p></p><p>4th, Your comparing two different operations in Ohlde to SAV. if your going to compare Ohlde Genetics to SAV you have to use DUFF's performance numbers to SAV. Tim Ohlde has his program, little interference and he is the master at selling 1000 -1200 lbs yearling bulls, and he has a market for it... but then Tim don't have the Semen issues we have all herd about from SAV like the Mandan Bull and others (for reference check out other forums) DUFF's feeding program is more like SAV program and weights are closer compared two </p><p></p><p>difference I see is the size of the mature cow... I know I like to feed those 1100-1200 cows, but kelly's cows just push that 1400+ range .... ( I only have 5 or so out of 175 head that are 1200, the rest 1400+ but they are 80% Charolais.. ) Also look at the Mature Frame score of the two programs... OCC is the 5 -5.5 and 75% of the SAV herd pushed the 6-6.5 and higher... Providence, 004, Networth are all 6.5 plus frame bulls just like C&C7 & Upward... As a breed Angus is trying to do everything, but Mature Cows don't need a heifer bull like MIF... </p><p></p><p>Added frame, added pounds, added feed, with all those additions when does the pounds pay for the Pasteur, SAV Purchase Price, and Pounds of Feed .... is the SAV program more efficient... NO</p><p></p><p>Kelly has one of the Top Marketing and Performance Programs in the Industry.. Just Like GAR had four to five years ago... I would of loved to see a students perspective of the GAR bull sale before the out break... Remember GAR had an average 1500 more then SAV... Without the Defect where would they be... </p><p></p><p>What difference has anyone else seen between these large programs and how they change the industry ...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dusty, post: 816233, member: 4585"] ok, I will ask you first, when will you start your purebred herd with that $280+ bull as your herdsire? Heck buy an average $10,400 bull and 10 head of heifers to breed him to, and see if if you can remarket them at a year for $2200 average.. Hinkle and Jones bought 25 cows last year from KSU all bred to Networth 4200 and sold their top bulls for $1800 last week at the Iowa Beef Expo, those calves were all raised 5 to 6 miles east of Linn, ks 2nd, kelly had the a great start, his dad gets out and kelly only buys the top end.. and has the pasteur to run as many recipts and he wants... then he buys 5175 for I believe 6K and now he is a carrier! then he buys 004 for $19k (i will check that back, but i think that may be high) from Trowbridge and the rest is history.... 3rd, Cattle raised in his conditions, mid August when JAKE and I had cattle out in 100 degree heat for 14 days straight and 90+ for 47 days the Genex tour visited SAV and temps were 76-84 for the days there were there in August... Also little to no flies compared to our Midwest (kansas, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska) area. Had 4 visitors from that tour come to Kansas the following weekend and by noon they wanted to retire to the hotels for relief... Our Cattle here don't get Air Conditioning.. and they all had questions about flies and last year was not a bad year for flies.. 4th, Your comparing two different operations in Ohlde to SAV. if your going to compare Ohlde Genetics to SAV you have to use DUFF's performance numbers to SAV. Tim Ohlde has his program, little interference and he is the master at selling 1000 -1200 lbs yearling bulls, and he has a market for it... but then Tim don't have the Semen issues we have all herd about from SAV like the Mandan Bull and others (for reference check out other forums) DUFF's feeding program is more like SAV program and weights are closer compared two difference I see is the size of the mature cow... I know I like to feed those 1100-1200 cows, but kelly's cows just push that 1400+ range .... ( I only have 5 or so out of 175 head that are 1200, the rest 1400+ but they are 80% Charolais.. ) Also look at the Mature Frame score of the two programs... OCC is the 5 -5.5 and 75% of the SAV herd pushed the 6-6.5 and higher... Providence, 004, Networth are all 6.5 plus frame bulls just like C&C7 & Upward... As a breed Angus is trying to do everything, but Mature Cows don't need a heifer bull like MIF... Added frame, added pounds, added feed, with all those additions when does the pounds pay for the Pasteur, SAV Purchase Price, and Pounds of Feed .... is the SAV program more efficient... NO Kelly has one of the Top Marketing and Performance Programs in the Industry.. Just Like GAR had four to five years ago... I would of loved to see a students perspective of the GAR bull sale before the out break... Remember GAR had an average 1500 more then SAV... Without the Defect where would they be... What difference has anyone else seen between these large programs and how they change the industry ... [/QUOTE]
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