Rule 2

[Oldtimer]

Come on OT, we both know what this is about. This all started by you complaining that prices are going to drop. It's all about protectionism and getting the highest price for American cattle by keeping Canadian cattle out using BSE as a cover and excuse.

The same as Canada did for 12 years with Americans with the false Bluetongue/Anaplas rules?

For years as I was serving eviction and forclosure papers on a lot of friends- many 2nd and 3rd generation farmer/ranchers-that the govenrment or bank was forclosing on-- you could see the tears in their eyes as they watched the Trans-X trucks hauling swinging beef going south, going by taking their livlihoods away-- as the US cattle prices continued to drop....

Its about time this country came up with a little dam protectionism or we won't have a country left....We've already shipped most our manufacturing overseas and are letting the Chinese/Mexicans slowly kill us with their toxin and chemical tainted imports- or take control with their devaluing of the US dollar....
The day of the free trade agreement has run its course- the next 20 years will see the reversal backlash...And like everything that occurs in the US thru backlash reaction-it will overreact...

 

[vs_cattle]

Yes, But those countries really have no USDA or inspection service to over see whats going on The USDA should have test everthing being imported and set down rules to send back defected prouducts as other countries do to us

 

[PeaceCountryCowboy]

The same as Canada did for 12 years with Americans with the false Bluetongue/Anaplas rules?

:lol: Comparing BSE to a geographical disease affected by climate and insects, good one :lol: :lol: .

For years as I was serving eviction and forclosure papers on a lot of friends- many 2nd and 3rd generation farmer/ranchers-that the govenrment or bank was forclosing on-- you could see the tears in their eyes as they watched the Trans-X trucks hauling swinging beef going south, going by taking their livlihoods away-- as the US cattle prices continued to drop....

:roll: Don't make me break out the violin again OT. There were farms and ranch's just like that here that went under too. But did you ever see me use that as an excuse in any of my arguements? No, because I don't need to use emotion because I've got the facts, science and laws on my side. All you've got is emotion to justify protectionism.

Its about time this country came up with a little dam protectionism or we won't have a country left....We've already shipped most our manufacturing overseas and are letting the Chinese/Mexicans slowly kill us with their toxin and chemical tainted imports- or take control with their devaluing of the US dollar....
The day of the free trade agreement has run its course- the next 20 years will see the reversal backlash...And like everything that occurs in the US thru backlash reaction-it will overreact...

AH HAH, so it is about protectionism and getting a better dollar :lol: . Well I'm not getting into this because NAFTA is the current set of rules in place and being a former law enforcement officer I'd think you'd know you gotta play by the rules. Remember Canada get's it's share of negatives from NAFTA too with softwood lumber, oil and gas and now the fight over water. You can't just take the good parts and play the BSE card to block the bad. It's like the little kid that whines and tries to cheat when he's losing.

 

[Oldtimer]

The same as Canada did for 12 years with Americans with the false Bluetongue/Anaplas rules?

:lol: Comparing BSE to a geographical disease affected by climate and insects, good one :lol: :lol: .

You said it right there-- geographical disease

If you want to be part of North America-then you have to be all the time-- not just pick and choose the moment that suits you best...
The US took care of these diseases quite well using state by state quarantines- the same as they do with Mexican TB and TB in the states - but Canada wouldn't do that, just lumping all together and saying "ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED"....Then when Canada's tit was in a wringer with the BSE closure they started sprouting this "North American cattle herd" B.S. that had everyone down here rolling on the ground laughing...Then while trying to convince US producers the border should be reopened - miracle of miracles- they decide those diseases weren't so bad and they redo the rules ;-) :lol:

What Hypocrites!!!

All the countries of the world have closed off their countries imports for BSE--even Canada, which is still closed to imports from 21 countries...No BSE countries allow live cattle trading- but the US is making special exemptions for the multinational Packers- the Tysons/Cargils/etal-- putting the US cattle herd (you do remember that US cattle herd don't you ;-) :lol: :lol: ) and the US consumer at an increased risk....

As far as NAFTA goes-- if I were Canadians I would be looking for other sources for exporting to...Like I said there is a huge populist backlash going on in our country to turn back the clocks or undo many of these free trade agreements- and either drop them or rewrite them...This was shown quite clearly with the huge majority vote against the President on the Mexican trucking the other day 74-24 in the Senate- only 3 or 4 voting against it in the House....After the 08 election-- anything may be possible....

 

[flounder]

I guess you can spin any excuse on it you want but that ain't facts..The evidence has shown that the US found 2 origin BSE cattle- neither were of the type that is running epidemic in Canada- and both of which were born PRE feedban...Canada has found 12 cases in a herd 1/7th the size- and half of those which have been POST feedban- with one as young as 4 years old (born after the date that USDA is allowing imports in).....

The independent study the USDA had done came back with the prospective that there were only 2 or 3 BSE cattle now in the US from the statistics compiled--Your Canadian lead BSE expert, Dr. Cashman has said that from his studies on any day there could be 50 BSE cattle in Canada -in a herd 1/7th the size...

To me that is definitely higher risk and the reason CDC says Canadian cattle/beef is statistically higher risk....To me that is the reason we need M-COOL before they begin shipping in OTM beef/cattle- so consumers can make their own decision on the risk and an informed choice on what they want to eat...

pay attention there O.T. ;



IN A NUT SHELL ;

(Adopted by the International Committee of the OIE on 23 May 2006)

11. Information published by the OIE is derived from appropriate
declarations made by the official Veterinary Services of Member Countries.
The OIE is not responsible for inaccurate publication of country disease
status based on inaccurate information or changes in epidemiological status
or other significant events that were not promptly reported to then Central
Bureau............

http://www.oie.int/eng/Session2007/RF2006.pdf


Audit Report
Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) Surveillance Program ­ Phase II
and
Food Safety and Inspection Service

Controls Over BSE Sampling, Specified Risk Materials, and Advanced Meat
Recovery Products - Phase III

Report No. 50601-10-KC January 2006

Finding 2 Inherent Challenges in Identifying and Testing High-Risk Cattle
Still Remain

http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/50601-10-KC.pdf


Report to Congressional Requesters:
February 2005:
Mad Cow Disease:

FDA's Management of the Feed Ban Has Improved, but Oversight Weaknesses
Continue to Limit Program Effectiveness:

[Hyperlink, http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-05-101]:

http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05101.html

http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d05101high.pdf


January 2002 MAD COW DISEASE Improvements in the Animal Feed Ban and
Other Regulatory Areas Would Strengthen U.S. Prevention Efforts GAO-02-183

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02183.pdf



BIO-RAD BSE TEST POLITICAL REPLY TO TSS

Subject: FSIS NOTICE SAMPLE COLLECTION FROM CATTLE UNDER THE BOVINE
SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHY (BSE)
ONGOING SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Reply-To: Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:32:58 -0600



Subject: Re: USDA/APHIS JUNE 2004 'ENHANCED' BSE/TSE COVER UP UPDATE
DECEMBER 19, 2004 USA
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:27:06 -0600
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr.


BSE-L

snip...

>
> OH, i did ask Bio-Rad about this with NO reply to date;
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: USA BIO-RADs INCONCLUSIVEs
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:37:28 -0600
> From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
> To: [email protected]
>
>
>
> Hello Susan and Bio-Rad,
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> I wish to ask a question about Bio-Rad and USDA BSE/TSE testing
> and there inconclusive. IS the Bio-Rad test for BSE/TSE that complicated,
> or is there most likely some human error we are seeing here?
>
> HOW can Japan have 2 positive cows with
> No clinical signs WB+, IHC-, HP- ,
> BUT in the USA, these cows are considered 'negative'?
>
> IS there more politics working here than science in the USA?
>
> What am I missing?
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: USDA: More mad cow testing will demonstrate beef's safety
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:26:19 -0600
> From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
> snip...end
>
>
> Experts doubt USDA's mad cow results

snip...END

WELL, someone did call me from Bio-Rad about this,
however it was not Susan Berg.
but i had to just about take a blood oath not to reveal
there name. IN fact they did not want me to even mention
this, but i feel it is much much to important. I have omitted
any I.D. of this person, but thought I must document this ;

Bio-Rad, TSS phone conversation 12/28/04

Finally spoke with ;


Bio-Rad Laboratories
2000 Alfred Nobel Drive
Hercules, CA 94547
Ph: 510-741-6720
Fax: 510-741-5630
Email: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

at approx. 14:00 hours 12/28/04, I had a very pleasant
phone conversation with XXXX XXXXX about the USDA
and the inconclusive BSE testing problems they seem
to keep having. X was very very cautious as to speak
directly about USDA and it's policy of not using WB.
X was very concerned as a Bio-Rad official of retaliation
of some sort. X would only speak of what other countries
do, and that i should take that as an answer. I told X
I understood that it was a very loaded question and X
agreed several times over and even said a political one.

my question;

Does Bio-Rad believe USDA's final determination of False positive,
without WB, and considering the new
atypical TSEs not showing positive with -IHC and -HP ???

ask if i was a reporter. i said no, i was with CJD Watch
and that i had lost my mother to hvCJD. X did not
want any of this recorded or repeated.

again, very nervous, will not answer directly about USDA for fear of
retaliation, but again said X tell
me what other countries are doing and finding, and that
i should take it from there.
"very difficult to answer"

"very political"

"very loaded question"

outside USA and Canada, they use many different confirmatory tech. in
house WB, SAF, along with
IHC, HP, several times etc. you should see at several
talks meetings (TSE) of late Paris Dec 2, that IHC- DOES NOT MEAN IT IS
NEGATIVE. again, look what
the rest of the world is doing.
said something about Dr. Houston stating;
any screening assay, always a chance for human
error. but with so many errors (i am assuming
X meant inconclusive), why are there no investigations, just false
positives?
said something about ''just look at the sheep that tested IHC- but were
positive''. ...


TSS

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Your questions
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:58:11 -0800
From: To: [email protected]

Hi Terry:

............................................snip Let me know your phone
number so I can talk to you about the Bio-Rad BSE test.
Thank you

Regards

Bio-Rad Laboratories
2000 Alfred Nobel Drive
Hercules, CA 94547
Ph: 510-741-6720
Fax: 510-741-5630
Email: =================================


snip...end...TSS


TSS REPORT ON 2ND TEJAS MAD COW Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:12:15 -0600 (the one
that did NOT get away, thanks to the Honorable Phyllis Fong)


-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: BSE 'INCONCLUSIVE' COW from
TEXAS ???
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:12:15 -0600
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
To: Carla Everett
References: <[log in to unmask]>
<[log in to unmask] us>


Greetings Carla,still hear a rumor;

Texas single beef cow not born in Canada no beef entered the food chain?

and i see the TEXAS department of animal health is ramping up forsomething,
but they forgot a url for update?I HAVE NO ACTUAL CONFIRMATION YET...can you
confirm???terry

==============================
==============================


-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: BSE 'INCONCLUSIVE' COW from
TEXAS ???
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:38:21 -0600
From: Carla Everett
To: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
References: <[log in to unmask]>


The USDA has made a statement, and we are referring all callers to the USDA
web site. We have no informationabout the animal being in Texas. CarlaAt
09:44 AM 11/19/2004, you wrote:>Greetings Carla,>>i am getting
unsubstantiated claims of this BSE 'inconclusive' cow is from>TEXAS. can you
comment on this either way please?>>thank you,>Terry S. Singeltary Sr.>>
===================
===================


-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: BSE 'INCONCLUSIVE' COW from
TEXAS ???
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:33:20 -0600
From: Carla Everett
To: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
References: <[log in to unmask]>
<[log in to unmask] us>
<[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]
us> <[log in to unmask]>


our computer department was working on a place holder we could postUSDA's
announcement of any results. There are no results to be announced tonightby
NVSL, so we are back in a waiting mode and will post the USDA
announcementwhen we hear something.At 06:05 PM 11/22/2004, you wrote:>why
was the announcement on your TAHC site removed?>>Bovine Spongiform
Encephalopathy:>November 22: Press Release title here >>star image More BSE
information>>>>terry>>Carla Everett wrote:>>>no confirmation on the U.S.'
inconclusive test...>>no confirmation on location of
animal.>>>>>>==========================
==========================

THEN, 7+ MONTHS OF COVER-UP BY JOHANN ET AL! no doubt about it now $$$


NO, it's not pretty, hell, im not pretty, but these are the facts, take em
or leave em, however, you cannot change them.

with kindest regards,

I am still sincerely disgusted and tired in sunny Bacliff, Texas USA 77518

Terry S. Singeltary Sr.


FULL 130 LASHINGS TO USDA BY OIG again

http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/50601-10-KC.pdf



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Statement
May 4, 2004
Media Inquiries: 301-827-6242
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA



Statement on Texas Cow With Central Nervous System Symptoms
On Friday, April 30 th , the Food and Drug Administration learned that a cow with central nervous system symptoms had been killed and shipped to a processor for rendering into animal protein for use in animal feed.

FDA, which is responsible for the safety of animal feed, immediately began an investigation. On Friday and throughout the weekend, FDA investigators inspected the slaughterhouse, the rendering facility, the farm where the animal came from, and the processor that initially received the cow from the slaughterhouse.

FDA's investigation showed that the animal in question had already been rendered into "meat and bone meal" (a type of protein animal feed). Over the weekend FDA was able to track down all the implicated material. That material is being held by the firm, which is cooperating fully with FDA.

Cattle with central nervous system symptoms are of particular interest because cattle with bovine spongiform encephalopathy or BSE, also known as "mad cow disease," can exhibit such symptoms. In this case, there is no way now to test for BSE. But even if the cow had BSE, FDA's animal feed rule would prohibit the feeding of its rendered protein to other ruminant animals (e.g., cows, goats, sheep, bison).

FDA is sending a letter to the firm summarizing its findings and informing the firm that FDA will not object to use of this material in swine feed only. If it is not used in swine feed, this material will be destroyed. Pigs have been shown not to be susceptible to BSE. If the firm agrees to use the material for swine feed only, FDA will track the material all the way through the supply chain from the processor to the farm to ensure that the feed is properly monitored and used only as feed for pigs.

To protect the U.S. against BSE, FDA works to keep certain mammalian protein out of animal feed for cattle and other ruminant animals. FDA established its animal feed rule in 1997 after the BSE epidemic in the U.K. showed that the disease spreads by feeding infected ruminant protein to cattle.

Under the current regulation, the material from this Texas cow is not allowed in feed for cattle or other ruminant animals. FDA's action specifying that the material go only into swine feed means also that it will not be fed to poultry.

FDA is committed to protecting the U.S. from BSE and collaborates closely with the U.S. Department of Agriculture on all BSE issues. The animal feed rule provides crucial protection against the spread of BSE, but it is only one of several such firewalls. FDA will soon be improving the animal feed rule, to make this strong system even stronger.

####



http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/news/2004/NEW01061.html


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... t-mg&P=720


THE USDA JUNE 2004 ENHANCED BSE SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM WAS TERRIBLY FLAWED ;


CDC DR. PAUL BROWN TSE EXPERT COMMENTS 2006


The U.S. Department of Agriculture was quick to assure the public earlier
this week that the third case of mad cow disease did not pose a risk to
them, but what federal officials have not acknowledged is that this latest
case indicates the deadly disease has been circulating in U.S. herds for at
least a decade.

The second case, which was detected last year in a Texas cow and which USDA
officials were reluctant to verify, was approximately 12 years old.

These two cases (the latest was detected in an Alabama cow) present a
picture of the disease having been here for 10 years or so, since it is
thought that cows usually contract the disease from contaminated feed they
consume as calves. The concern is that humans can contract a fatal,
incurable, brain-wasting illness from consuming beef products contaminated
with the mad cow pathogen.

"The fact the Texas cow showed up fairly clearly implied the existence of
other undetected cases," Dr. Paul Brown, former medical director of the
National Institutes of Health's Laboratory for Central Nervous System
Studies and an expert on mad cow-like diseases, told United Press
International. "The question was, 'How many?' and we still can't answer
that."

Brown, who is preparing a scientific paper based on the latest two mad cow
cases to estimate the maximum number of infected cows that occurred in the
United States, said he has "absolutely no confidence in USDA tests before
one year ago" because of the agency's reluctance to retest the Texas cow
that initially tested positive.

USDA officials finally retested the cow and confirmed it was infected seven
months later, but only at the insistence of the agency's inspector general.

"Everything they did on the Texas cow makes everything USDA did before 2005
suspect," Brown said. ...snip...end


http://www.upi.com/



CDC - Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy and Variant Creutzfeldt ...
Dr. Paul Brown is Senior Research Scientist in the Laboratory of Central
Nervous System ... Address for correspondence: Paul Brown, Building 36, Room
4A-05, ...


http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no1/brown.htm





PAUL BROWN COMMENT TO ME ON THIS ISSUE

Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:10 AM


"Actually, Terry, I have been critical of the USDA handling of the mad cow issue for some years, and with Linda Detwiler and others sent lengthy detailed critiques and recommendations to both the USDA and the Canadian Food Agency." ........TSS



BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL


SOMETHING TO CHEW ON


BMJ


http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/319/7220/1312/b#EL2




BMJ


http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/320/7226/8/b#EL1





THE PATHOLOGICAL PROTEIN

BY Philip Yam


CHAPTER 14 LAYING ODDS

Answering critics like Terry Singeltary, who feels that the U.S. under-
counts CJD, Schonberger conceded that the current surveillance system
has errors but stated that most of the errors will be confined to the older
population.

http://www.thepathologicalprotein.com/



INTRODUCTION

http://www.thepathologicalprotein.com/_wsn/page3.html



Yam Philip Yam News Editor Scientific American http://www.sciam.com
http://www.thepathologicalprotein.com/


CJD DEATH RATE INCREASES TO 1 IN 9,000 WHEN RESTRICTED TO THOSE 50 AND OLDER. the ukbsenvcjd only theory is hogwash. ...TSS



POLICY IN CONFIDENCE: CJD IN FARMER WITH BSE COW



LIKELY TO ATRACT MEDIA ATTENTION

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 002001.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 002001.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 005001.pdf

CONFIRMED CJD IN FARMER WITH BSE COW

line to take, sporadic CJD

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 004001.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 005001.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 001001.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 002001.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 003001.pdf


SECOND CASE CJD IN DAIRY FARMER

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 001001.pdf


CJD IN AN INDIVIDUAL OCCUPATIONALLY EXPOSED TO BSE

ii. on page 2 the sentence ''He had drunk pooled milk from the herd which included that from the affected animal'' will mislead the uninformed. It needs to be made clear that milk from a cow which is suspected to be affected with BSE cannot be drunk or added to the bulk milk produced by the rest of the herd.

iii. in the final paragraph I suggest that the phrase ''and a causal link with BSE is at most conjectural'' BE DELETED: the first paragraph of the sentence would then stand as a clear statement that the CJD case was likely to have been a CHANCE PHENOMENON.

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 003001.pdf


''DH is aware of a second case of CJD in a dairy farmer who has had BSE in his herd. We cannot comment on the details of the case, but we know of nothing to suggest this is anthing other than a sporadic case of CJD. .........


http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 001001.pdf


IF PRESSED:

The numbers concerned are very small, and it is not possible to draw any conclusions from such small numbers. This issue is being considered by the Government's expert advisers....

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 002001.pdf


THE FARMER IS THOUGHT TO HAVE HAD AT LEAST TWO CASES OF BSE IN HIS HERD, which were diagnosed in 1992. The farmer is reported to have asssisted in calving and to have drunk milk from his herd. This does not suggest that this is anything other than a sporadic case of CJD. ...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 003001.pdf



CONFIDENTIAL

CONFIRMED CASE OF CJD IN DAIRY FARMER

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 003001.pdf


3. Neither Dr Will nor the CJD surveillance unit intend to disclose the existence of this case or make any comment at present unless it attracts media attention.

snip...

HUMAN CASE DETAILS CONFIDENTIAL

snip...

6. CJD IN FARMERS

The second annual report on CJD surveillance in the UK, which is about to be published, gives occupational history details of 29 definite and probable CJD cases recorded in people who had a history of employment at any time in particular occupational groups of potential significance for the occurrence of the disease. The 29 cases were amongst 95 diagnosed over a 3 year period: the other 66 cases did not fall into such occupational groups.


These relevant details are:-

MEDICAL/PARAMEDICAL/DENTISTRY 7

ANIMAL LABORATORY 1

PHARMACEUTICAL LABORATORY 0

RESEARCH LABORATORY 0

FARMERS/VETERINARY SURGEONS 7

BUTCHERS/ABATTOIR WORKERS/OCCUPATION
INVOLVING DIRECT CONTACT WITH ANIMAL
OR CARCASES 5

OCCUPATION INVOLVING ANIMAL PRODUCTS 9


snip... full text ;

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 001001.pdf



POLICY IN CONFIDENCE


1. The article in the Daily Mail of 12 August again raises the question of a CAUSATIVE LINK BETWEEN BSE AND CJD. This follows the death of a second farmer from CJD...


snip...


I am, however, concerned about how DH and MAFF would respont to public concern generated if there are further CJD cases among farmers.


snip...

4. Unwelcome, though it maybe to the Tyrrell Committee, I think they must be asked at their next meeting to give further thought to what they might advise the Department and MAFF if ANOTHER FARMER (or TWO) DEVELOPS CJD. OR, if a butcher or abattoir worker develops the disease.

5. Although the Committee were given plenty of advance warning about the second farmer, they may NOT BE SO FORTUNATE NEXT TIME ROUND. Some Contingency planning on the Committee's response to a further case of CJD in a farmer seems essential. At the same time the Committee should consider if there is SPECIAL RISK TO FARMERS, FOR EXAMPLE THEIR HISTORICAL HABIT OF CHEWING CATTLE NUTS, that might be implicated. .....(oh my GOD...tss)


http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 002001.pdf


Ministers will note from this that experts are of the view, that there is unlikely to be a direct link between the cases of BSE, and the occurance of CJD in the farmer.


(NOTE CJD increasing over 3 years. ...TSS)

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 004001.pdf


'AGE AT ONSET' is therefore likely to be a reflection of particulary aetiological factors, about which, for sporadic CJD at least, much is yet unknown. IT has therefore been suggested that examination of the f/d i/p of other groups with TSE's, and comparison with that of CJD subsets might help to elucidate aetiological mechanisms for sporadic CJD in particular; i.e. ALMOST A REVERSAL OF THE ORIGINAL UNDERTAKING.

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 001001.pdf


OCCUPATIONAL EXPOSURE TO BSE AND CJD

2. The Tyrrell Committee met on 7 October and the significance of the two cases of CJD reported in dairy farmers who had BSE-affected animals on their farms was discussed at some length, AS WERE THE IMPLICATIONS OF A THIRD (OR FORTH) similar case.

3. The Committee were unable to identify any possible risk factors over and above those that they had already considered, both in general and with particular of TASTING THE FEED does continue but there was no consensus about the value of advising farmers to discontinue this practice. Feed currently in use does not pose a risk because of the ruminant-ruminant feed ban.



http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 001001.pdf



MRC

STRAIN CHARACTERISATION OF THE CREUTZFELDT-JAKOB DISEASE AGENT BY TRANSMISSION TO MICE

In view of the CONCERN that exposue to BSE OR SCRAPIE MAY POSE A RISK TO HUMANS, it is proposed investigate the relationship between sporadic creutzfeldt-jakob disease.....


http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 001001.pdf



3. While Committee may have no leads to pursue on why farmers might be at increased risk, I hope they understand the urgency with which they will need to respond if or when a THIRD FARMER DEVELOPS CJD.


http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 001001.pdf


INCREASE IN SPORADIC CJD

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1 ... 001001.pdf



USA MAD COW STRAIN MORE VIRULENT TO HUMANS THAN UK STRAIN

18 January 2007 - Draft minutes of the SEAC 95 meeting (426 KB) held on 7
December 2006 are now available.


snip...



64. A member noted that at the recent Neuroprion meeting, a study was
presented showing that in transgenic mice BSE passaged in sheep may be more
virulent and infectious to a wider range of species than bovine derived BSE.

Other work presented suggested that BSE and bovine amyloidotic spongiform
encephalopathy (BASE) MAY BE RELATED. A mutation had been identified in the
prion protein gene in an AMERICAN BASE CASE THAT WAS SIMILAR IN NATURE TO A
MUTATION FOUND IN CASES OF SPORADIC CJD.


snip...



http://www.seac.gov.uk/minutes/95.pdf




3:30 Transmission of the Italian Atypical BSE (BASE) in Humanized Mouse

Models Qingzhong Kong, Ph.D., Assistant Professor, Pathology, Case Western Reserve
University

Bovine Amyloid Spongiform Encephalopathy (BASE) is an atypical BSE strain
discovered recently in Italy, and similar or different atypical BSE cases
were also reported in other countries. The infectivity and phenotypes of
these atypical BSE strains in humans are unknown. In collaboration with
Pierluigi Gambetti, as well as Maria Caramelli and her co-workers, we have
inoculated transgenic mice expressing human prion protein with brain
homogenates from BASE or BSE infected cattle. Our data shows that about half
of the BASE-inoculated mice became infected with an average incubation time
of about 19 months; in contrast, none of the BSE-inoculated mice appear to
be infected after more than 2 years.

***These results indicate that BASE is transmissible to humans and suggest that BASE is more virulent than
classical BSE in humans.***


6:30 Close of Day One


http://www.healthtech.com/2007/tse/day1.asp




SEE STEADY INCREASE IN SPORADIC CJD IN THE USA FROM
1997 TO 2006. SPORADIC CJD CASES TRIPLED, with phenotype
of 'UNKNOWN' strain growing. ...


http://www.cjdsurveillance.com/resource ... eport.html



There is a growing number of human CJD cases, and they were presented last
week in San Francisco by Luigi Gambatti(?) from his CJD surveillance
collection.

He estimates that it may be up to 14 or 15 persons which display selectively
SPRPSC and practically no detected RPRPSC proteins.


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/ ... 4240t1.htm


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/ ... 4240t1.pdf



Subject: MAD COW BASE H-TYPE AND L-TYPE

Date: August 23, 2007 at 11:30 am PST


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... =0&P=19779




From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: TWO MORE Nor98 atypical Scrapie cases detected in USA bringing
total to 3 cases to date


Infected and Source Flocks

As of June 30, 2007, there were .....

snip...

One field case and one validation case were consistent with Nor-98 scrapie.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health ... ie_rpt.pps


IN the February 2007 Scrapie report it only mentions ;

''One case was consistent with Nor98 scrapie.''

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health ... s/scrapie/


(please note flocks of origin were in WY, CO, AND CA. PERSONAL COMMUNCATIONS
USDA, APHIS, VS ET AL. ...TSS)



NOR98 SHOWS MOLECULAR FEATURES REMINISCENT OF GSS


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... =0&P=14553


An evaluation of scrapie surveillance in the United States


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... T=0&P=3427



FOIA REQUEST FOR ATYPICAL TSE INFORMATION ON VERMONT SHEEP


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... =0&P=10451



SEAC New forms of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy 1 August 2007
From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr.
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 13:09:38 -0500


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... T=0&P=3573



POTENTIAL MAD CAT ESCAPES LAB IN USA

http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... T=0&P=7062



USDA VS CREEKSTONE Civil Action No. 06-0544

Tue Sep 4, 2007 14:48


http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?d ... ON%20BOARD




Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:52:02 -0500
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: FINAL REGULATIONS FOR NON-AMBULATORY DISABLED CATTLE AND
SPECIFIED RISK MATERIALS (SRMs)


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... =0&P=27862



Subject: CWD UPDATE 88 AUGUST 31, 2007


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... &T=0&P=450



TSS

 

[Oldtimer]

Terry--There has been a BSE testing program in the US since 1989--thru 3 or 4 Presidents (of both parties)-- about a dozen Ag Secretary's-- 20 or more USDA animal health Directors- 100's of Regional Directors- 1000's of local Doctors/technicians/inspectors-thruout the entire nation, that do the actual testing and get the results---- and you are trying to tell me that all these folks have conspired to do or report false tests :shock: :roll:

Many of these test anyalysis were contracted out to private labs and college labs- so all these people have been bought out or intimidated into putting out false info too ? :roll: ;-) :lol:

Some folks believe that planes didn't fly into the World Trade Centers too, that GW brought them down with a stick of dynamite-and while he was doing that Cheney thru a handgrenade at the Pentagon :roll: ---or that JFK is a vegetable in a secret government nursing home--About as farfetched to believe :roll: ;-) :lol:

 

[flounder]

Terry--There has been a BSE testing program in the US since 1989--thru 3 or 4 Presidents (of both parties)-- about a dozen Ag Secretary's-- 20 or more USDA animal health Directors- 100's of Regional Directors- 1000's of local Doctors/technicians/inspectors-thruout the entire nation, that do the actual testing and get the results---- and you are trying to tell me that all these folks have conspired to do or report false tests :shock: :roll:

Many of these test anyalysis were contracted out to private labs and college labs- so all these people have been bought out or intimidated into putting out false info too ? :roll: ;-) :lol:

Some folks believe that planes didn't fly into the World Trade Centers too, that GW brought them down with a stick of dynamite-and while he was doing that Cheney thru a handgrenade at the Pentagon :roll: ---or that JFK is a vegetable in a secret government nursing home--About as farfetched to believe :roll: ;-) :lol:

what's wrong O.T., you can't handle the truth, so you change the subject. we were not speaking of 9-11 and the towers, we were speaking of the BSE surveillance and eradication efforts the USDA/FDA et al failed to provide us in the USA, and there totally flawed June 2004 enhanced BSE cover-up mode that they even failed at that, thanks to the Honorable Phyllis Fong. you cannot change the truth there OT, or the facts, and the facts speak for themselves. read em and weep, your only kidding yourself. ...TSS

 

[Oldtimer]

One test that they got both a positive and a negative reading-- that they should have rechecked- that was caught in oversight... A bad policy that was changed....

Terry--There has been a BSE testing program in the US since 1989--thru 3 or 4 Presidents (of both parties)-- about a dozen Ag Secretary's-- 20 or more USDA animal health Directors- 100's of Regional Directors- 1000's of local Doctors/technicians/inspectors-thruout the entire nation, that do the actual testing and get the results---- and you are trying to tell me that all these folks have conspired to do or report false tests

Many of these test anyalysis were contracted out to private labs and college labs- so all these people have been bought out or intimidated into putting out false info too ?

But you still haven't told me how they are accomplishing this massive government conspiracy coverup that would have to be occurring in order to have any type of rate as high as Canadas????????????????....

No other countries in the world have opened up their doors to shipping live cattle back and forth with a BSE country-- and I think no matter how many we have or don't have- we should not be endangering the US cattle herd/consumers by changing the rules for just Canada......Politics and Economics over Science...That is where the corruption lies in the USDA....

 

[PeaceCountryCowboy]

You said it right there-- geographical disease

If you want to be part of North America-then you have to be all the time-- not just pick and choose the moment that suits you best...
The US took care of these diseases quite well using state by state quarantines- the same as they do with Mexican TB and TB in the states - but Canada wouldn't do that, just lumping all together and saying "ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED"....Then when Canada's tit was in a wringer with the BSE closure they started sprouting this "North American cattle herd" B.S. that had everyone down here rolling on the ground laughing...Then while trying to convince US producers the border should be reopened - miracle of miracles- they decide those diseases weren't so bad and they redo the rules ;-) :lol:

What Hypocrites!!!

:roll: Ok, I thought maybe you could understand that but I guess I'm going to have to spell it out for you. Geographical disease meaning it only occurs in a certain geographical region because of climate. Ge-o-graph-ic-al, not re-gion-al. BSE is a regional disease meaning climate doesn't effect it. Plus Bluetongue was spead by insects, BSE is spread by infected feed. Feed that could be transported anywhere. The insects that caused Bluetongue couldn't survive in Canada's climate. Now do you understand?

All the countries of the world have closed off their countries imports for BSE--even Canada, which is still closed to imports from 21 countries...No BSE countries allow live cattle trading- but the US is making special exemptions for the multinational Packers- the Tysons/Cargils/etal-- putting the US cattle herd (you do remember that US cattle herd don't you ;-) :lol: :lol: ) and the US consumer at an increased risk....

Now we're back to claiming BSE again :roll: . I'm not going in a circle. In short, minimum risk, hit by meteorite, I will keep walking my dog :lol: .

 

[Oldtimer]

Ge-o-graph-ic-al, not re-gion-al.

Regions aren't a part of geography :???: :roll:

So my cows that run 1/4 mile south of the border has all these negative problems--but the ones that run 1/4 mile north don't? :???:

What a border that must be to stop all those bugs ;-) :lol: :lol: My vet says he hasn't seen Anaplas since he was in the deep south...And I look at Rockglens weather every day--and its many times nicer there than down here...In fact their forecasts are much closer to the ranch's weather than the nearest US weather station is...

But still Canadians said "ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED".....

But like I said--It was a "US cattle herd" and a "Canadian cattle herd"-- that was only until your teat was in a wringer--then all we heard was all this farce "North American Herd" talk-- that is where the hypocrisy comes in-- you can't have it one way one day--and the other the next... :roll: ;-) :lol:

I can't wait until the day Congress votes out NAFTA- and it's looking like it may be sooner than even I think.....

 

[PeaceCountryCowboy]

Regions aren't a part of geography :???: :roll:

So my cows that run 1/4 mile south of the border has all these negative problems--but the ones that run 1/4 mile north don't? :???:

What a border that must be to stop all those bugs ;-) :lol: :lol: My vet says he hasn't seen Anaplas since he was in the deep south...And I look at Rockglens weather every day--and its many times nicer there than down here...In fact their forecasts are much closer to the ranch's weather than the nearest US weather station is...

But still Canadians said "ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED".....

But like I said--It was a "US cattle herd" and a "Canadian cattle herd"-- that was only until your teat was in a wringer--then all we heard was all this farce "North American Herd" talk-- that is where the hypocrisy comes in-- you can't have it one way one day--and the other the next... :roll: ;-) :lol:

Breath in, breath out, ok dumb it down even more. First off I said Geographical. You do know what a Geographical area is right? An area unique because of climatic conditions, soil, precipitation, etc. Regional area is a human defined area, counties, states, countries, provinces and continents (remember that it's going to be important later ;-) ). Now bluetongue could only be found and created in areas warm enough for the insect that spread it to survive which were the southern states making it a geographical disease. Import resistrictions were put on the U.S because it can't be put on certain states within the U.S (Same reason the U.S banned Canadian cattle when the cow was found in Alberta, they couldn't ban just Alberta cattle). BSE is spread by infected feed and is unaffected by climate making it a regional disease. Where ever feed could have and was shipped to is included in that region. Being feed could have been and was shipped all over North America makes it a continental regional disease.

 

[Oldtimer]

So what happened to all the bugs and the disease that caused the CFIA to change all the rules last year :???: ;-) :lol: How come now 12 years later they can change the rule to just regions and states :???: ;-) :lol:

Peace Country-- I have worked long enough in the brands work-with the health papers and intransport cattle- that I have no problems with quarantines for regions or geographical areas-- when they are warranted....Canada's BSE rule maybe should have been the Western Provinces - especially after CFIA came out with the feedban tracking (none of which went to the US) and said that it indicated several more cases could be expected found in all the western provinces (Manitoba west).....But there are no guidelines to such--as no other BSE countries have ever allowed import/export of live cattle.....The reason many livestock producers believe the USDA is putting us at undue risk.....

But Canada's mass restriction on all cattle --calling "ALL US CATTLE DISEASED" was nothing more than trade barrier- which was shown when they dropped much of the barrier in their negotiations to get the border reopened for Canadian cattle...

And then after all those years of Canada calling it a Canadian cattle herd and a US cattle herd-- and how they had to protect the Canadian cattle herd from the diseased US cattle herd---And then to come out with this we're all one big happy family North American Herd was B.S....

 

[PeaceCountryCowboy]

(none of which went to the US)

Canadian investigators also determined that the Alberta renderer that linked three of the BSE cases shipped two loads of MBM to the United States in February 1997.

None huh?

So what happened to all the bugs and the disease that caused the CFIA to change all the rules last year

Well I was wrong about them banning all U.S cattle because I believed you :roll: . Turns out restrictions started easing back in 95 and just continuely expanded when they started to learn more about the disease. Well before the BSE fiasco. From CFIA,

As the scientific communities' knowledge has grown, the risks associated with these diseases have been reassessed a number of times and changes to the import policy have been made following consultation with stakeholders across Canada. For example, restrictions for feeder cattle have been reassessed and eased on a number of occasions. Beginning in 1995, feeder cattle were able to be imported under the North West Pilot Project without testing during the winter months from a handful of states determined by the CFIA to be either free or to have a low incidence of bluetongue. In 2003 the CFIA concluded that a vector capable of transmitting bluetongue does not exit in eastern Canada from Ontario to the Atlantic Provinces. As a result, all classes of cattle are now eligible for importation from any state in the US at any time of the year without bluetongue related restrictions into this region of Canada. Based on preliminary findings from a three year study in southern Alberta from 2002 to 2004, which indicated that the capacity of midges found in this area to transmit bluetongue was poor, feeder cattle restrictions have been further eased. Under the year round restricted feeder program, cattle can be imported into all of Canada, except for the Okanagan Valley, from an expanded list of states (now 39) at any time of the year without testing for either bluetongue or anaplasmosis. They are, however, subject to certain conditions which require that the feedlot be approved by the CFIA and that it establish a vector control and sentinel animal program.

The reason many livestock producers believe the USDA is putting us at undue risk.

Again, meterorite, walking dog :lol:

But Canada's mass restriction on all cattle --calling "ALL US CATTLE DISEASED" was nothing more than trade barrier

So let me get this right OT, are you saying using a disease as an excuse for a trade barrier is wrong? Wow, I'm impressed, we're getting somewhere :lol: .

And then after all those years of Canada calling it a Canadian cattle herd and a US cattle herd-- and how they had to protect the Canadian cattle herd from the diseased US cattle herd---And then to come out with this we're all one big happy family North American Herd was B.S.

I'm not going over this again. A geographical disease is completely different then a regional one. They have to be handled completely different. BSE is a North American problem because it has been shown multiple times that BSE has crossed the border both in live animals (2 American cases) and feed, Bluetongue is a problem in the states with the right climates.

 

[Oldtimer]

Funny how it took until after 2003 (BSE) for CFIA to come to all those conclusions-- especially when USDA and loads of US scientists had been telling them the same for years :???: ;-) :lol:

 

[PeaceCountryCowboy]

Funny how it took until after 2003 (BSE) for CFIA to come to all those conclusions-- especially when USDA and loads of US scientists had been telling them the same for years :???: ;-) :lol:

Scientific studies to come out with guidelines take time. Different diseases take different times. Look at the U.S, they took over 2 years to allow cattle under 30 months back in when it said they had no risk of having BSE. Even then you all were screaming that it was too soon and that not enough was known. Now they've determined animals OTM are safe and you're saying the same thing. But here you are saying it takes too long :???: :lol: .

But Canada's mass restriction on all cattle --calling "ALL US CATTLE DISEASED" was nothing more than trade barrier

You didn't answer my question OT, Are you saying using a disease as an excuse for a trade barrier is wrong?

And I've got another question, Are you denying that any potentially infected feed shipments or cattle were imported into the U.S before BSE was discovered and the ban was put in place?

 

[Oldtimer]

Peace country

You didn't answer my question OT, Are you saying using a disease as an excuse for a trade barrier is wrong?

Quarantines have been successfully used for years as a means of disease prevention and eradication...These were set up by region or geographical area ( :roll: ) to take care of an outbrak of disease until the disease was eradicated...It was shown to Canada 12 years ago that much of theirs was unwarrented, as the disease had not been in many areas for generations-- which made it a trade barrier...

In the case of BSE- quarantine has been and still is being used as a means of prevention and eradication...Canada blocks imports from 20+ BSE countries for that reason...And in the case of Canada BSE with new cases being found daily- and CFIA admitting their old feed ban didn't work and that they could find 20+ more positive cows in the testing they do- along with the TSE expert admitting to as many as 50--I believe it is premature for the US to be dropping or lessening any quarantines--especially for live cattle (which no countries to date have exported/imported to or from BSE countries for slaughter)....
Like I said the smart thing is to err on the side of safety-both consumer and herd health--and not import from Canada until they can show they have the disease eradicated....

In the long run that may benefit Canadians also-- as the importing back and forth of live cattle- especially with the US not having as stringent of feedban rules- could just prolong the disease in both countries with it cycling back and forth between countries....

And BSE still hasn't met its hardest test yet--What will happen when the first case of native origin vCJD patient dies???

I don't think you've even seen shiest hit the fan like you will then :shock:

And I've got another question, Are you denying that any potentially infected feed shipments or cattle were imported into the U.S before BSE was discovered and the ban was put in place?

What are you saying- I shouldn't trust a Canuck? ;-) :lol:

Not denying- just not aware of it...US law prohibits the putting of any MBM material in feed designed for cattle or sheep...And I know prior to 2003 the FDA was doing testing-and had turned back questionable materials- but I think they said they could only test less than 10%....And I know clear back until the 80's local feed companies were sending back feed/tubs if they found it contained MBM- because folks didn't want it....

But if you don't tell the truth you can deceive them to make a buck--kind of like what Canada was doing with their beef by passing it off as US-eh ;-) :lol: Thank God for M-COOL...

 

[PeaceCountryCowboy]

And in the case of Canada BSE with new cases being found daily

Daily huh? :lol: So where were the 7 new cases from this past week? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: . Or the 1,448 that I haven't heard about yet :lol: :lol: :lol: . Come on OT you can only stretch the truth so far before it's just comical.

Not denying- just not aware of it.

Well now you're aware of it do you think it changes anything? Feed and animals were shipped south from Canada. We know at least one of those cows (the one in Washington state) had BSE. We know two of the feed loads came from the same plant that produced infected feed. BSE entered the United States, that's a fact you can't deny. So don't you think that makes it a North American problem? We've already determined it's a regional disease so if it's known to have crossed the border it's no longer a regional disease within Canada, it's a regional disease of North America. Face it, as much as you want, you can't draw a line and say it ended there.

 

[Oldtimer]

Well now you're aware of it do you think it changes anything? Feed and animals were shipped south from Canada. We know at least one of those cows (the one in Washington state) had BSE. We know two of the feed loads came from the same plant that produced infected feed. BSE entered the United States, that's a fact you can't deny. So don't you think that makes it a North American problem? We've already determined it's a regional disease so if it's known to have crossed the border it's no longer a regional disease within Canada, it's a regional disease of North America. Face it, as much as you want, you can't draw a line and say it ended there.

Just because you have one rattlesnake living under your porch that you can't get rid of doesn't mean that you should just go out and haul in a dozen more!!!

 

[PeaceCountryCowboy]

Just because you have one rattlesnake living under your porch that you can't get rid of doesn't mean that you should just go out and haul in a dozen more!!!

Doesn't mean it's still not under there potentially producing more. Might as well work with your neighbour where it came from to get rid of all of them rather then just sealing up and hoping for the best.

I'll give you an example, if your neighbour has a weedy field and you have a field right next to him with a few weeds. Do you build a giant net between the two fields to stop the weed seeds from blowing onto your field that already has started growing weeds or work with him to spray both fields for the weeds at the same time?

 

[flounder]

Suzan Holl (301) 734-6464
Jerry Redding (202) 720-6959


USDA DRAFT DOCUMENT ON EUROPEAN UNION CLASSIFICATION AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT

WASHINGTON, April 26, 2005–The U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service has prepared a draft document that proposes to identify administrative units (AU), within 11 member states of the European Union and reevaluates the previously identified AU for Italy.

Administrative units are the smallest administrative jurisdictions within the EU member states that APHIS would consider as regions in the event of an animal disease outbreak.

APHIS is proposing to identify AU for 11 EU member states in order to facilitate trade between the EU and the United States in a consistent manner. The 11 member states are: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Greece, Ireland, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden and the United Kingdom. APHIS has already identified AU for France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

Currently, if an animal disease outbreak occurred in any of the EU member states for which APHIS has not identified with an AU, regional trade restrictions would be placed on the entire territory of the member state instead of the specific jurisdiction where the animal disease outbreak has occurred. In other words, regionalization would occur at a national rather than a subnational level.

Notice of the availability of the draft document was published in the April 21 Federal Register. APHIS documents published in the Federal are available on the Internet at http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppd/rad/webrepor.html. USDA Draft Document on European APHIS is making this draft document available for public review and comment.

Consideration will be given to comments received on or before June 20. Send an original and three copies of postal mail or commercial delivery comments to Docket No. 04-081-1, Regulatory Analysis and Development, PPD, APHIS, Station 3C71, 4700 River Road Unit 118, Riverdale, Md. 20737-1238. If you wish to submit a comment using the Internet, go to EDOCKET at http://www.epa.gov/feddocket, click on "View Open APHIS Dockets," and locate agency Docket No. 04-081-1.

Comments are posted on the EDOCKET Web site and may also be reviewed at USDA, Room 1141, South Building, 14th St. and Independence Ave., SW, Washington, D.C., between 8 a.m. and 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday, excluding holidays. To facilitate entry into the comment reading room please call (202) 690-2817.

#


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THE COMMITTEE RESOLVES THAT

1. The Director General publish the following list of Member Countries recognised
as free from BSE in accordance with Chapter 2.3.13. of the 13th edition (2004)
of the Terrestrial Code:

Australia, Argentina, New Zealand and Uruguay.

2. The Director General publish the following list of Member Countries recognised
as 'provisionally free' from BSE in accordance with Chapter 2.3.13. of the 13th
edition (2004) of the Terrestrial Code:

Chile, Iceland, Paraguay and Singapore.

3. Countries listed above wishing to submit an application before the end
of 2006 for confirmation of their status will be assessed against the
Terrestrial Code of 2004 and will remain on the list published by the OIE until May 2008.

4. Any country wishing to submit an application before the end of 2006
for negligible risk or controlled risk status for BSE, will be assessed
against the Terrestrial Code of 2006.

5. After December 2006, all applications for BSE status will be assessed
against the Terrestrial Code current at the time.

(Adopted by the International Committee of the OIE on 23 May 2006)



http://www.oie.int/eng/publicat/BULLETI ... -4-ENG.pdf



now, look at what was, but what aint ;



U. S. Department of Health and Human Services
U. S. Food and Drug Administration
Office of Regulatory Affairs
May 20, 2003



Summary of ORA BSE Import Bulletin 99B-14

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has alerted its import field offices
to the potential importation of human food products and nutritional
supplements containing ruminant material from BSE-affected or at-risk
countries as determined by United States Department of Agriculture
(USDA)/Animal, Plant Health and Inspection Service (APHIS). The current
action is a followup to an earlier FDA alert issued in January 2000
regarding bulk shipments of high risk bovine tissues from these same
countries. An expanded list of products at issue and a list of the current
BSE-affected countries is set out below.

USDA/APHIS has prohibited the importation into the United States of all
edible ruminant products from Europe, Oman, and other BSE-affected
countries. The Import Bulletin will facilitate FDA's careful review of all
imports of FDA-regulated products to ensure coordination with APHIS on the
prohibitions. FDA's review will include evaluation of product ingredient
lists to determine whether the products offered for import contain certain
ruminant materials. Products that appear to contain ruminant material from
the identified countries will be referred to APHIS for disposition.

PRODUCTS
Any products containing ruminant material such as (but not limited to):
Cheese products containing meat of ruminant origin
Ruminant meat products
Poultry products containing or processed with ruminant products
Rennet from ruminant animals
Pie fillings containing or processed with ruminant products
Multiple ingredient food products (soups, stews, sandwiches, mixed dinners,
etc.) containing or processed with ruminant products
Baby foods, geriatric foods, and dietary foods containing or processed with
ruminant products
Vitamins, minerals, proteins, and other dietary supplements that contain or
have been processed with ruminant material
Food additives (emulsifiers, enzymes, flavor enhancers, etc.) containing or
processed with ruminant materials
Botanicals containing or processed with ruminant materials
Animal by-products and extracts for human use
BSE-AFFECTED OR AT-RISK COUNTRIES
ALBANIA (AL)
ANDORRA (AD)
AUSTRIA (AT)
BELGIUM (BE)
BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA (BA)
BULGARIA (BG)
CANADA (CA)
CROATIA (HR)
CZECH REPUBLIC (CS)
DENMARK (DK)
FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA (YU)
FINLAND (FI)
FRANCE (FR)
GERMANY (DE)
GREECE (GR)
HUNGARY (HU)
IRELAND, REPUBLIC of (IE)
ISRAEL (IL)
ITALY (IT)
JAPAN (JP)
LIECHTENSTEIN
LUXEMBOURG (LU)
MACEDONIA, the former YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC of (MK)
MONACO (MC)
NETHERLANDS (NL)
NORWAY (NO)
OMAN (OM)
POLAND (PL)
PORTUGAL (PT)
ROMANIA (RO)
SAN MARINO (SM)
SLOVAK REPUBLIC (SLOVAKIA) (SK)
SLOVENIA (SI)
SPAIN (ES)
SWEDEN (SE)
SWITZERLAND (CH)
UNITED KINGDOM (Great Britain including Northern Ireland, and Falkland
Islands) (GB)

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~comm/bseimpor.html



what happened to change the science $$$

IN FACT, science proved something much worse, more than one strain of mad cow disease,
price of poker goes up, mad cow safety regulations go down, along with risk assessments. ...TSS


TSS

----- Original Message -----
From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr.
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:42 AM
Subject: [SANET-MG] O.I.E. SELLS THERE SOUL TO THE DEVIL AND WILL REPEAT WHAT THE U.K. DID, POISON THE WORLD LEGALLY WITH MAD COW DISEASEs



Date: February 28, 2007 at 7:57 am PST

O.I.E. SELLS THERE SOUL TO THE DEVIL AND WILL REPEAT WHAT THE U.K. DID, POISON THE WORLD LEGALLY WITH MAD COW DISEASEs



http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... &T=0&P=498



REMEMBER, both Canadan and USA have had atypical BSE documented. ...TSS


and H-type cases identified in a number of European countries and North America.


SEAC July 2007


References

1SEAC 97 discussion papers available at
http://www.seac.gov.uk/agenda/agen100507.htm



http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... =0&P=19779


Where has atypical BSE been found?

Although the greatest number of cases is in France(12), increasing numbers of cases
have now been identified in other countries – Canada (1), Germany (2), Italy (2),
Japan (2), Netherlands (4), Poland (7), Sweden (1), Switzerland (1), UK (1), and USA
(2). In Sweden and the USA the atypical cases represent the only indigenous cases
detected. In other words – typical BSE has not been detected in native cattle in these
two countries (34).
In France, Poland, Netherlands and Germany both H and L forms of atypical BSE
have been reported(25).



http://www.tseandfoodsafety.org/positio ... 070516.pdf



Scrapie Canada Update April 2007

SHEEP CAN NOW BE IMPORTED FROM THE UNITED STATES

Canadian Food Inspection Agency News Release- April 20, 2007:

Import of Small Ruminants from the United States: CFIA Policy- Apr. 20, 2007

Requirements for Small Ruminants Imported from the United States for Breeding, Domestic or Captive Purposes

Small Ruminants: are defined as members of the Family: Bovidae, Subfamily: Caprinidae, Genus : Ovis and Capra. In general, the term "small ruminants" applies to sheep and goats and their exotic relatives of the genus ovis and capra.


http://www.scrapiecanada.ca/updateApril2007.html



From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: TWO MORE Nor98 atypical Scrapie cases detected in USA bringing
total to 3 cases to date


Infected and Source Flocks

As of June 30, 2007, there were .....

snip...

One field case and one validation case were consistent with Nor-98 scrapie.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health ... ie_rpt.pps


IN the February 2007 Scrapie report it only mentions ;

''One case was consistent with Nor98 scrapie.''

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health ... s/scrapie/


(please note flocks of origin were in WY, CO, AND CA. PERSONAL COMMUNCATIONS
USDA, APHIS, VS ET AL. ...TSS)



NOR98 SHOWS MOLECULAR FEATURES REMINISCENT OF GSS


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... =0&P=14553


An evaluation of scrapie surveillance in the United States


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... T=0&P=3427



From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Subject: CWD UPDATE 88 AUGUST 31, 2007


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... &T=0&P=450



Where is CWD found?
Chronic wasting disease was first seen in Colorado deer belonging to several research facilities in 1967, and later was diagnosed in captive and wild deer and elk in northern Colorado and southern Wyoming. In the 1970s, CWD occurred at a zoo in Canada in mule deer that had been imported from a zoological park in Colorado. Fortunately, the disease did not spread. Since 1996, CWD has been diagnosed in ranched elk as well as farmed wild deer in both Saskatchewan and Alberta. CWD has also been found in deer and elk in the USA.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/ani ... cfse.shtml
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/ani ... mdce.shtml


PLEASE NOTE;


USA MAD COW STRAIN MORE VIRULENT TO HUMANS THAN UK STRAIN

18 January 2007 - Draft minutes of the SEAC 95 meeting (426 KB) held on 7
December 2006 are now available.


snip...


64. A member noted that at the recent Neuroprion meeting, a study was
presented showing that in transgenic mice BSE passaged in sheep may be more
virulent and infectious to a wider range of species than bovine derived BSE.

Other work presented suggested that BSE and bovine amyloidotic spongiform
encephalopathy (BASE) MAY BE RELATED. A mutation had been identified in the
prion protein gene in an AMERICAN BASE CASE THAT WAS SIMILAR IN NATURE TO A
MUTATION FOUND IN CASES OF SPORADIC CJD.


snip...


http://www.seac.gov.uk/minutes/95.pdf



3:30 Transmission of the Italian Atypical BSE (BASE) in Humanized Mouse

Models Qingzhong Kong, Ph.D., Assistant Professor, Pathology, Case Western Reserve
University

Bovine Amyloid Spongiform Encephalopathy (BASE) is an atypical BSE strain
discovered recently in Italy, and similar or different atypical BSE cases
were also reported in other countries. The infectivity and phenotypes of
these atypical BSE strains in humans are unknown. In collaboration with
Pierluigi Gambetti, as well as Maria Caramelli and her co-workers, we have
inoculated transgenic mice expressing human prion protein with brain
homogenates from BASE or BSE infected cattle. Our data shows that about half
of the BASE-inoculated mice became infected with an average incubation time
of about 19 months; in contrast, none of the BSE-inoculated mice appear to
be infected after more than 2 years.

***These results indicate that BASE is transmissible to humans and suggest that BASE is more virulent than
classical BSE in humans.***


6:30 Close of Day One


http://www.healthtech.com/2007/tse/day1.asp



SEE STEADY INCREASE IN SPORADIC CJD IN THE USA FROM
1997 TO 2006. SPORADIC CJD CASES TRIPLED, with phenotype
of 'UNKNOWN' strain growing. ...


http://www.cjdsurveillance.com/resource ... eport.html


There is a growing number of human CJD cases, and they were presented last
week in San Francisco by Luigi Gambatti(?) from his CJD surveillance
collection.

He estimates that it may be up to 14 or 15 persons which display selectively
SPRPSC and practically no detected RPRPSC proteins.


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/ ... 4240t1.htm


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/ ... 4240t1.pdf



Diagnosis and Reporting of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease

Singeltary, Sr et al. JAMA.2001; 285: 733-734.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/http://www.neu ... /2/176#535


BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL

BMJ

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/319/7220/1312/b#5406


BMJ

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/320/7226/8/b#6117


JOURNAL OF NEUROLOGY

MARCH 26, 2003

RE-Monitoring the occurrence of emerging forms of Creutzfeldt-Jakob

disease in the United States

Email Terry S. Singeltary:

[email protected]

I lost my mother to hvCJD (Heidenhain Variant CJD). I would like to

comment on the CDC's attempts to monitor the occurrence of emerging

forms of CJD. Asante, Collinge et al [1] have reported that BSE

transmission to the 129-methionine genotype can lead to an alternate

phenotype that is indistinguishable from type 2 PrPSc, the commonest

sporadic CJD. However, CJD and all human TSEs are not reportable

nationally. CJD and all human TSEs must be made reportable in every

state and internationally. I hope that the CDC does not continue to

expect us to still believe that the 85%+ of all CJD cases which are

sporadic are all spontaneous, without route/source. We have many TSEs in

the USA in both animal and man. CWD in deer/elk is spreading rapidly and

CWD does transmit to mink, ferret, cattle, and squirrel monkey by

intracerebral inoculation. With the known incubation periods in other

TSEs, oral transmission studies of CWD may take much longer. Every

victim/family of CJD/TSEs should be asked about route and source of this

agent. To prolong this will only spread the agent and needlessly expose

others. In light of the findings of Asante and Collinge et al, there

should be drastic measures to safeguard the medical and surgical arena

from sporadic CJDs and all human TSEs. I only ponder how many sporadic

CJDs in the USA are type 2 PrPSc?

http://www.neurology.org/cgi/eletters/60/2/176#535


doi:10.1016/S1473-3099(03)00715-1
Copyright © 2003 Published by Elsevier Ltd.
Newsdesk

Tracking spongiform encephalopathies in North America

Xavier Bosch

Available online 29 July 2003.


Volume 3, Issue 8, August 2003, Page 463


"My name is Terry S Singeltary Sr, and I live in Bacliff, Texas. I lost my
mom to hvCJD (Heidenhain variant CJD)
and have been searching for answers ever since. What I have found is that we
have not been told the truth. CWD
in deer and elk is a small portion of a much bigger problem."
............................


http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanin ... 1/fulltext

http://download.thelancet.com/pdfs/jour ... 007151.pdf


see history of cjd questionnaire

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/sho ... php?t=2408


sporadic CJD, the big lie ;


see full text ;


http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.ex ... =0&P=25276


TSS