Remitall

[greenwillowhereford II]

Got their dispersal catalog the other day. Selling over 1,000 head of Herefords, and 1,000 Angus.

I've had mixed feelings about them for years. From what I gather, they have good udders, phenomenal growth and REA. They look impressive for the most part. I like many of their foundation sires. Enforcer 107H for instance. The pics of the foundation sires looked more impressive to me than the modern ones.

I feel the downside is excessive size, lack of doing ability in the type of conditions many of us have, and some of their most popular bulls have lacked IMF. Enormous birthweights seem to be the norm as well.

 

[Frankie]

Got their dispersal catalog the other day. Selling over 1,000 head of Herefords, and 1,000 Angus.

I've had mixed feelings about them for years. From what I gather, they have good udders, phenomenal growth and REA. They look impressive for the most part. I like many of their foundation sires. Enforcer 107H for instance. The pics of the foundation sires looked more impressive to me than the modern ones.

I feel the downside is excessive size, lack of doing ability in the type of conditions many of us have, and some of their most popular bulls have lacked IMF. Enormous birthweights seem to be the norm as well.

Are you including their Angus in your evaluation (size, "doing ability", IMF, BW) or is this your opinion of the Herefords they're selling?

 

[Aaron]

I feel the downside is excessive size, lack of doing ability in the type of conditions many of us have

That is the reason why I never have used Remitall bulls and never will. You have to remember that the cattle they sell are the best they are ever going to look. :cowboy:

 

[TB-Herefords]

The enourmous BW EPD's turn me away right off the batt. Their size is also way to big for me. I have not expeerienced any of their genetics or cattle but wasn't interested too. It's worked for them though.

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

Got their dispersal catalog the other day. Selling over 1,000 head of Herefords, and 1,000 Angus.

I've had mixed feelings about them for years. From what I gather, they have good udders, phenomenal growth and REA. They look impressive for the most part. I like many of their foundation sires. Enforcer 107H for instance. The pics of the foundation sires looked more impressive to me than the modern ones.

I feel the downside is excessive size, lack of doing ability in the type of conditions many of us have, and some of their most popular bulls have lacked IMF. Enormous birthweights seem to be the norm as well.

Are you including their Angus in your evaluation (size, "doing ability", IMF, BW) or is this your opinion of the Herefords they're selling?

Sorry I didn't clarify. I know very little about their Angus program, just that they are also dispersing it. I was referring to the Herfs. However, one would tend to think they would have similar goals with either breed. They bred a lot of both for the showring from what I understand.

I would consider using their bloodlines for terminal purposes, but I would first want to research further how well they convert.

 

[CPL]

I think Remitall added alot to the Hereford breed on a international stage. But I think alot of their cattle fall in the show barn and I think the way they managed their cattle in an unrealistic environment. That's why I don't think they'd work for what I'm striving for, but others they work great. Nonetheless I'll try to watch the auction on the internet.

 

[oakcreekfarms]

I think Remitall keynote, and Boomer almost single handedly saved our American Hereford cow herd. He got us away from those light boned, narrow, slab sided herefords. These bulls gave us length, thickness, depth, growth, REA. Pounds always pay more, and these bulls moved us forward. For those of you that still have the narrow light boned herefords, sorry if I offended you.

Their BW's are to big for us down here, up there they want them big. However I have seen a few herds of cattle that would benefit greatly from a remitall bull in their pasture.

 

[rocket2222]

One of very few, true line bred polled herds, you knew what you're getting when you used them, predictable genetics. Jeff at S&S Farms said in a earlier post, he had heard they were trying to get out of a partnership with the Adairs. Hope they stay in the Hereford business, they would have to buy back their best, to keep the linebreeding intact, or start all over.

 

[oakcreekfarms]

From what I understand they are selling everything, no buy backs. I believe they are truly done

 

[HerefordSire]

rocket2222,

They got out of the Hereford business one time and they made their way back. Maybe once it gets in your blood, no amount of money makes a difference. However, after studying their sales revenue of their spring sale, I can see why they would want to leave. Especially if Mr. Adair has numerous operation stakes. Quite a bit of money is tied up. For what? Cattle ranchers and farmers are getting older on the average and not enough youngsters filling in the vacancies. Heck, look what it would take just to buy land nowadays for someone in their 20s or 30s not to mention everything else involved. If I am not mistaken, we are on the verge of seeing beef prices skyrocket. Hang on to your females and get an extra night job to buy more quality females before prices start running.

 

[HerefordSire]

I think Remitall keynote, and Boomer almost single handedly saved our American Hereford cow herd. He got us away from those light boned, narrow, slab sided herefords. These bulls gave us length, thickness, depth, growth, REA. Pounds always pay more, and these bulls moved us forward. For those of you that still have the narrow light boned herefords, sorry if I offended you.

Their BW's are to big for us down here, up there they want them big. However I have seen a few herds of cattle that would benefit greatly from a remitall bull in their pasture.

The higher BWs can produce larger percentage weaning weights if managed properly without sacrificing life. 20X and 46B are the modern foundations. A breeder like us can take the 40 or so years of experience in developing these specimens and build from there. It will be much harder to breed a great animal without using these animals as a foundation.

 

[1848]

I think Remitall keynote, and Boomer almost single handedly saved our American Hereford cow herd. He got us away from those light boned, narrow, slab sided herefords. These bulls gave us length, thickness, depth, growth, REA. Pounds always pay more, and these bulls moved us forward. For those of you that still have the narrow light boned herefords, sorry if I offended you.

Their BW's are to big for us down here, up there they want them big. However I have seen a few herds of cattle that would benefit greatly from a remitall bull in their pasture.

Sorry, but I would have to say this is a little narrow minded. I think they are great bulls, but not what "saved" the breed. Nor did they "single handedly" introduce muscle, length, and depth. These are things that have been adjusted breed wide, and some of these traits are in fact common, and have been associated with the breed since their creation. They may have done great things through the advertisement era, but by no means share sole responsibility for the "salvage" of versitile and solid foundation breed.

 

[1848]

The higher BWs can produce larger percentage weaning weights if managed properly without sacrificing life. 20X and 46B are the modern foundations. A breeder like us can take the 40 or so years of experience in developing these specimens and build from there. It will be much harder to breed a great animal without using these animals as a foundation.

This one too

 

[oakcreekfarms]

I will stick with what I stated, I think it is a fair statement that they had some of the most (if not the most) influence in moving our cattle in the right direction. Many people getting started with herefords in the time of keynote couldn't find the type of cattle they were looking for in the US, so they looked to Canada for genetics to provide the length, muscle, depth, and Rib that was needed.

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

I will stick with what I stated, I think it is a fair statement that they had some of the most (if not the most) influence in moving our cattle in the right direction. Many people getting started with herefords in the time of keynote couldn't find the type of cattle they were looking for in the US, so they looked to Canada for genetics to provide the length, muscle, depth, and Rib that was needed.

There are other bloodlines that had it as well, some of them horned.

 

[redfornow]

I will stick with what I stated, I think it is a fair statement that they had some of the most (if not the most) influence in moving our cattle in the right direction. Many people getting started with herefords in the time of keynote couldn't find the type of cattle they were looking for in the US, so they looked to Canada for genetics to provide the length, muscle, depth, and Rib that was needed.

There are other bloodlines that had it as well, some of them horned.

Oak, Me thinks you drank to much of the coolaid from the plastic cup!!!

All of the traits you mentioned, could and in many cases have been brought over from the horned side.
What you see as "saved" I see as a product of single trait selection "polled" that was going to be worked out with harder culling and line breeding the results.

To give all the credit to one breeder or bull is just sillly....

 

[HerefordSire]

I will stick with what I stated, I think it is a fair statement that they had some of the most (if not the most) influence in moving our cattle in the right direction. Many people getting started with herefords in the time of keynote couldn't find the type of cattle they were looking for in the US, so they looked to Canada for genetics to provide the length, muscle, depth, and Rib that was needed.

Good for you! I admire a person that isn't scared to write what they believe in. I don't know enough to compete with you gentlemen, but I know personally I would not have entered the polled Hereford breeding business if it were not for 20X. You can say he made me decide to go for it. I could see plain as day what he represented and he was an older model. It is refreshing to interface with mature youngsters like yourself. Sometimes, the elders of the breed get stagnant and need to be shaken up a bit. Most of the trouble makers never disclose what they are involved in, if you notice. Just imagine where the Hereford breed would be today if 20X was not enough to make us breed Herefords! :cboy:

 

[HerefordSire]

There are other bloodlines that had it as well, some of them horned.

Oak, Me thinks you drank to much of the coolaid from the plastic cup!!!

All of the traits you mentioned, could and in many cases have been brought over from the horned side.
What you see as "saved" I see as a product of single trait selection "polled" that was going to be worked out with harder culling and line breeding the results.

To give all the credit to one breeder or bull is just sillly....



redfornow...I think what OCF is implying is he and others are becoming a successful faster using their genetics than otherwise would have been permissible had he selected 517 or 8020 as foundation examples. Plus, he likes extra big muscular rears. I cannot disagree with anything you said other than the part about being silly and the koolaid. I have the opinion you will hear allot more about OCF in the coming years.

 

[1982vett]

... If I am not mistaken, we are on the verge of seeing beef prices skyrocket. Hang on to your females and get an extra night job to buy more quality females before prices start running.

Hope you are right, my tea leaves just don't line up to put much faith in your prediction.

 

[HerefordSire]

... If I am not mistaken, we are on the verge of seeing beef prices skyrocket. Hang on to your females and get an extra night job to buy more quality females before prices start running.

Hope you are right, my tea leaves just don't line up to put much faith in your prediction.

I have heard that before. I may not know anything about polled Herefords and breeding. I am an expert when it comes to open market price projection probabilities.