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<blockquote data-quote="cotton1" data-source="post: 1291387" data-attributes="member: 14689"><p>We collect udder data and have for several years, but dont currently have EPD for it. I get what you are saying about the EPDs being subjective to accurate data being turned in and a difference of opinion of what is a good temperment. Im not sure how a breed association would make guidelines for the docililty, but surely there is some correlation to some genes that can be found in the ones that actually do get turned in as poor temperment(Genomic)? At this point we just use our own judgement and have a very calm herd. It has been my experience that a crazy mama will have a crazy baby most likely. Is that an inherited trait, or a learned behavior? I think some of both. You know the old saying about one bad apple. The truth is that the big picture in beef producers across the breeds in seedstock, simply dont want to turn in bad data on their calfs because they dont want to give themselves a bad reputation.I have seen producers turn in no data and just take the parental averages when the results were not favorable. Why not just cull? The issues with temperment are just one of the things that are getting me closer and closer to a closed, line bred herd with cattle I know in every bracket of the pedigree. I cant say I know how the breeds could get a reliable docility EPD, but I have been interested to see some of the Angus sales catalogs and note the ratings in there. I guess its kind of like the udder EPDs you were talking about, you might find that ones you like are not the most favorably rated ones on a EPD, or feel you have some that should be rated higher than they are. EPDs are a tool, but cant replace good sense, or good herdsmanship for sure. Im just glad you found a problem source, and eliminated it. If everybody did that, we wouldnt be talking about a EPD for temperment. I also think the fact that you found a sire, and his offspring to be crazy proves that there is something in the genetic build causing that type of behavior.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cotton1, post: 1291387, member: 14689"] We collect udder data and have for several years, but dont currently have EPD for it. I get what you are saying about the EPDs being subjective to accurate data being turned in and a difference of opinion of what is a good temperment. Im not sure how a breed association would make guidelines for the docililty, but surely there is some correlation to some genes that can be found in the ones that actually do get turned in as poor temperment(Genomic)? At this point we just use our own judgement and have a very calm herd. It has been my experience that a crazy mama will have a crazy baby most likely. Is that an inherited trait, or a learned behavior? I think some of both. You know the old saying about one bad apple. The truth is that the big picture in beef producers across the breeds in seedstock, simply dont want to turn in bad data on their calfs because they dont want to give themselves a bad reputation.I have seen producers turn in no data and just take the parental averages when the results were not favorable. Why not just cull? The issues with temperment are just one of the things that are getting me closer and closer to a closed, line bred herd with cattle I know in every bracket of the pedigree. I cant say I know how the breeds could get a reliable docility EPD, but I have been interested to see some of the Angus sales catalogs and note the ratings in there. I guess its kind of like the udder EPDs you were talking about, you might find that ones you like are not the most favorably rated ones on a EPD, or feel you have some that should be rated higher than they are. EPDs are a tool, but cant replace good sense, or good herdsmanship for sure. Im just glad you found a problem source, and eliminated it. If everybody did that, we wouldnt be talking about a EPD for temperment. I also think the fact that you found a sire, and his offspring to be crazy proves that there is something in the genetic build causing that type of behavior. [/QUOTE]
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