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<blockquote data-quote="SPH" data-source="post: 1290889" data-attributes="member: 20580"><p>As part of TPR reporting for Herefords you can report chute scores at weaning (I doubt the number of people actually doing it are very high either) which I think is a little rediculous because you can run the same calf through the chute several times a year and it may react differently each time through so I think an EPD for docility/temperment would be highly inaccurate if AHA ever went to using one. We pretty much report almost all 1's back for chute scores and maybe have a few 2's sprinkled in and most of those we are probably really reaching to find a reason to give them a 2 just so we don't report back all 1's because even a calf reacted breifly after being jabbed by a needle doesn't mean they aren't docile but when the last 10 calves before him didn't even flinch when given their shots something has to be criteria for not being a 1 score I guess.</p><p></p><p>There are so many things that can contribute to the disposition of an animal I don't think putting an EPD number on it would really accomplish anything because very few would even believe it is accurate considering some don't even believe in EPDs at all as it is. You have to factor in the environment in which that animal is being raising in along with how do the breeders handle and treat their animals. Our vet says there are some places he goes to that he thinks about the only time that cattle is around humans is whenever they have him out for something so the cattle are nutty as hell from not being used to frequent interaction with humans. And unfortunately there are breeders out there that don't always practice very good animal welfare practices with their cattle which can lead to disposition problems too. We've have full sibling matings that had completely oposite tempermants so while I think maybe you can possibly say certain bloodlines are less docile than others it really is just a crapshoot from animal to animal.</p><p></p><p>I find the Angus docility EPD as more of a marketing ploy than having any real value IMO and I hope the Herefords don't eventually go that route too but I would not be shocked if they did either. If someone really believes that you can accurately predict docility with an EPD number then I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I would love to sell you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SPH, post: 1290889, member: 20580"] As part of TPR reporting for Herefords you can report chute scores at weaning (I doubt the number of people actually doing it are very high either) which I think is a little rediculous because you can run the same calf through the chute several times a year and it may react differently each time through so I think an EPD for docility/temperment would be highly inaccurate if AHA ever went to using one. We pretty much report almost all 1's back for chute scores and maybe have a few 2's sprinkled in and most of those we are probably really reaching to find a reason to give them a 2 just so we don't report back all 1's because even a calf reacted breifly after being jabbed by a needle doesn't mean they aren't docile but when the last 10 calves before him didn't even flinch when given their shots something has to be criteria for not being a 1 score I guess. There are so many things that can contribute to the disposition of an animal I don't think putting an EPD number on it would really accomplish anything because very few would even believe it is accurate considering some don't even believe in EPDs at all as it is. You have to factor in the environment in which that animal is being raising in along with how do the breeders handle and treat their animals. Our vet says there are some places he goes to that he thinks about the only time that cattle is around humans is whenever they have him out for something so the cattle are nutty as hell from not being used to frequent interaction with humans. And unfortunately there are breeders out there that don't always practice very good animal welfare practices with their cattle which can lead to disposition problems too. We've have full sibling matings that had completely oposite tempermants so while I think maybe you can possibly say certain bloodlines are less docile than others it really is just a crapshoot from animal to animal. I find the Angus docility EPD as more of a marketing ploy than having any real value IMO and I hope the Herefords don't eventually go that route too but I would not be shocked if they did either. If someone really believes that you can accurately predict docility with an EPD number then I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I would love to sell you. [/QUOTE]
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