Remember Paul Harvey?

angusprguy

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Some of you have seen this film, but thought I'd share it with the board. The film was shot in the late 1940s, when the American Angus Association was based in Chicago. A little-known radio broadcaster, Paul Harvey, was asked to narrate the program. Very interesting look into the past:

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Thanks for the post, it was nice to see what Angus cows should look like, before they got bred up....wink wink never was able to figure out how cows that had been pure black for hundreds of years suddenly got white spots!!!!!
 
houstoncutter":1gg6tvsp said:
Thanks for the post, it was nice to see what Angus cows should look like, before they got bred up....wink wink never was able to figure out how cows that had been pure black for hundreds of years suddenly got white spots!!!!!


they weren't 'pure black for hundreds of years', yes they were black, yes they were polled, but white has been evident in the breed since the foundation, the bull Cupbearer was named for his white scrotum, Druid another famous foundation bull had white from his sheath to his brisket, the cows Equinox and Eugenie had unregisterable white by modern breed standards. Certain lines, the Erica's especially, are prone to white.
 
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you are mistaken, it has nothing to do with crossing and everything to do with lack of official breed standards issued by a breed society prior to the formation of one, so white in front of the navel was acceptable, after breed characteristics were established it was determined that no white in front of the navel would be permissable. Same way with scurs, the famous bulls Hanton and Shah both had or sired scurs, not an issue until breed standards were established.
 
Robert if you wish to drink the CAB kool-aid more power to ya. Some of us think homo black and homo polled does not mean scurs or color on the navel unless something of a different breed is introduced.
 
Nothing to do with kool aid just history, which is documented in fact not conjecture. Do I suspect certain lines are tainted by "Outside" blood, absolutely but if you don't know the history then you have no way to place the present in context.
 
robert said:
Nothing to do with kool aid just history, which is documented in fact not conjecture. Do I suspect certain lines are tainted by "Outside" blood, absolutely but if you don't know the history then you have no way to place the present in context.[/quot





Actually Robert I would have no interest in the "present " day Angus to put em in context. Those ol school Angus could finish on grass and I'n my humble opinion a superior animal to today's modern Angus
 
So you were just looking for a way to diss the breed and breeders of today with zero information, truth or experience then? Nice......
 
robert":21u2rogo said:
So you were just looking for a way to diss the breed and breeders of today with zero information, truth or experience then? Nice......


No Robert just makIng a comment of how I think the Angus cattle in this video of yester-year are superior to the modern day Angus. I'm an old fart and have seen seen a lot of changes in the cattle industry , and I might say most of them for the worst!

If you want an example. Of cattle that stuck to their roots and did not chase the extremes it would be the Red Angus... Good moderate framed cattle that can finish on grass. Dont have many I my part of the country, but from what I have seen in my travels across the mid-west I have been impressed with the breed and breeders.
 
Didn’t watch the whole thing, but early he says angus have been "black and hornless since the dawn of history." Seems to have forgotten about the reds, which is disrespectful.

A quick visit to Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_cattle

Angus cattle (Aberdeen Angus) are a breed of cattle commonly used in beef production. They were developed from cattle native to the counties of Aberdeenshire and Angus in Scotland, and are known as Aberdeen Angus in most parts of the world.

They are naturally polled (do not have horns) and solid black or red, although the udder may be white. There have always been both red and black individuals in the population, and in the USA they are regarded as two separate breeds - Red Angus and Black Angus. Black Angus is the most common beef breed of cattle in the United States, with 324,266 animals registered in 2005.

On November 21, 1883, the American Aberdeen Angus Association was founded in Chicago, Illinois, but the organization's name was shortened in the 1950s to the American Angus Association. The Association's first herd book was published on March 1, 1885. At this time both red and black animals were registered without distinction. However, in 1917 the Association barred the registering of red and other colored animals in an effort to promote a solid black breed. Red Angus cattle occur as the result of a recessive gene. Breeders collecting red cattle from black herds began the Red Angus Association of America in 1954. Other countries such as the United Kingdom and Canada still register both colors in the same herd book.
 
djinwa":13y4vw5p said:
Didn’t watch the whole thing, but early he says angus have been "black and hornless since the dawn of history." Seems to have forgotten about the reds, which is disrespectful.

A quick visit to Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_cattle

Angus cattle (Aberdeen Angus) are a breed of cattle commonly used in beef production. They were developed from cattle native to the counties of Aberdeenshire and Angus in Scotland, and are known as Aberdeen Angus in most parts of the world.

They are naturally polled (do not have horns) and solid black or red, although the udder may be white. There have always been both red and black individuals in the population, and in the USA they are regarded as two separate breeds - Red Angus and Black Angus. Black Angus is the most common beef breed of cattle in the United States, with 324,266 animals registered in 2005.

On November 21, 1883, the American Aberdeen Angus Association was founded in Chicago, Illinois, but the organization's name was shortened in the 1950s to the American Angus Association. The Association's first herd book was published on March 1, 1885. At this time both red and black animals were registered without distinction. However, in 1917 the Association barred the registering of red and other colored animals in an effort to promote a solid black breed. Red Angus cattle occur as the result of a recessive gene. Breeders collecting red cattle from black herds began the Red Angus Association of America in 1954. Other countries such as the United Kingdom and Canada still register both colors in the same herd book.
Don't see any where it says that red animals were around back then. And I would avoid Wiki as a refence.
 
Blackeyes of Ballindalloch, c. 9th Feb 1889 was named for her only black feature, she was a daughter of Blackbird 3rd of Corskie.

When the Paul Harvey movie was made the reds had been excluded from the US herd book for over 30 years, and the statement 'black and hornless' would be 99% correct, and black was certainly the primary color selected for, while reds were not rejected outright there are only a few examples of dedicated red herds though they did exist in the late 1800's. If I have time I'll dig around in my old breed histories for actual examples, I know at least one that was cited in the McDonald & Sinclair "History of the Aberdeen Angus Breed" in 1909 (2nd edition of the history).
 
Interesting discussion!

Here's another oldie but goodie about the history of the Angus breed:

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I remember as a kid our radio at home (couldnt get TV reception) was always tuned to a local station that would play the Paul Harvey commentary right after the local ag report. Every summer I would hear PH doing his thing around noon while I ate lunch on the back porch. Good memories.
 
I'm confused, was this video about Aberdeen Angus? Or we're they all called Aberdeen. When did it change to American angus association? There are some Aberdeen bull semen still available, was this the foundation herd? Just wondering.
Never mind I researched at it got shortened in the 1950s. Neat old videos though.
 

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