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<blockquote data-quote="CattleMan1920" data-source="post: 1546399" data-attributes="member: 37967"><p>I prefer A.I. any day, don't confuse what I'm saying. The bull from Stone Gate was used when we were not able to AI in a particular year. He performed beautifully, we did not lose a single calf and he settled every available female. I am under no impression that he holds a candle to Hoover Dam, etc., but he did his job, and now we are AI'ng his daughters to top sires. As for his sons, they have mostly been sold around KY to commercial and registered operations. The sons as I said before have performed well. Most commercial producers aren't using $10k sires or above. If most of the commercial producers were faced with paying the average cost of a Schaff bull they would certainly walk away, and buy what was far cheaper. I speak with people weekly that tell me that $1500 is the top dollar that they would pay for a bull, so you see what I'm saying right? For many commercial producers as long as that bull can stand up and get a few settled, they could care less about the pedigree or EPD's, to them a bull is a bull. I do have some customers however that are sincerely trying to improve their herd and cannot justify paying $20k or more for a bull, therefore sons of this Stone Gate bull we own and Stone Gate's bulls fill the niche. They cost around $3-4k on average and they get the job done without surprises. I'm AI'ng to get the quality of our females to another level, and to have AI sons to sell. There are commercial producers around here that are slowly coming around to recognizing that genetics plays a big role in how much they make when they go to sell their steers. In my opinion, the cattle market is going to be a much more competitive place in the future and the demand for prime is going to soar, when I look around I don't see much of anything in my area that would stand a chance of scoring prime, more like select. You can't remain viable in the cattle market selling those type of cattle. I have people argue with me all day long at the feed store about this, but, Angus steers with excellent carcass traits will keep you in business when times get tough. The demand will always be there. I'm not talking black hide either, I'm talking purebred Angus. Just call Creekstone or others and tell them that you have 50 steers, 7 weights sired by Hoover Dam or GAR Momentum and they are from registered cows and see how fast that truck rolls up at your gate with a fat check. Also as for Stone Gate they were one of the VERY few farms recognized by CAB recently for a "Brand the barn" painting and anniversary celebration. That isn't given to just any operation out there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CattleMan1920, post: 1546399, member: 37967"] I prefer A.I. any day, don't confuse what I'm saying. The bull from Stone Gate was used when we were not able to AI in a particular year. He performed beautifully, we did not lose a single calf and he settled every available female. I am under no impression that he holds a candle to Hoover Dam, etc., but he did his job, and now we are AI'ng his daughters to top sires. As for his sons, they have mostly been sold around KY to commercial and registered operations. The sons as I said before have performed well. Most commercial producers aren't using $10k sires or above. If most of the commercial producers were faced with paying the average cost of a Schaff bull they would certainly walk away, and buy what was far cheaper. I speak with people weekly that tell me that $1500 is the top dollar that they would pay for a bull, so you see what I'm saying right? For many commercial producers as long as that bull can stand up and get a few settled, they could care less about the pedigree or EPD's, to them a bull is a bull. I do have some customers however that are sincerely trying to improve their herd and cannot justify paying $20k or more for a bull, therefore sons of this Stone Gate bull we own and Stone Gate's bulls fill the niche. They cost around $3-4k on average and they get the job done without surprises. I'm AI'ng to get the quality of our females to another level, and to have AI sons to sell. There are commercial producers around here that are slowly coming around to recognizing that genetics plays a big role in how much they make when they go to sell their steers. In my opinion, the cattle market is going to be a much more competitive place in the future and the demand for prime is going to soar, when I look around I don't see much of anything in my area that would stand a chance of scoring prime, more like select. You can't remain viable in the cattle market selling those type of cattle. I have people argue with me all day long at the feed store about this, but, Angus steers with excellent carcass traits will keep you in business when times get tough. The demand will always be there. I'm not talking black hide either, I'm talking purebred Angus. Just call Creekstone or others and tell them that you have 50 steers, 7 weights sired by Hoover Dam or GAR Momentum and they are from registered cows and see how fast that truck rolls up at your gate with a fat check. Also as for Stone Gate they were one of the VERY few farms recognized by CAB recently for a "Brand the barn" painting and anniversary celebration. That isn't given to just any operation out there. [/QUOTE]
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