Red Simbrah bull

[insurman]

No, not the infamous red Simbrah bull that was discussed on here about 10+ years ago. Many on here will know what I am talking about.

His first set of calves are on the ground and have about 20 others bred to him. He is a big footed bull, thick and packed full of muscle.

I received his GE EPD's and he is in the top 3% and 10% for CE and BW and top 10% and 15% for WW and YW, so far his numbers are backed up by the calves on the ground. All have come easy and are growing like weeds. He is on purebred Simbrah, 3/4 Simbrah and a few Simmentals.

He turned 4 in September.

Fire away..

 

[tater74]

Looks stout.

 

[ClinchValley86]

What a tank!!! what ya say mature weight is? Very nice fella...

 

[insurman]

What a tank!!! what ya say mature weight is? Very nice fella...

Based on another bull he was with that I sold and was 1650, I would think this one would be in the 1850+/- range

 

[Warren Allison]

Damned good looking bull. I delivered 8 registered Red Charolais cows from the Laue ranch in Kansas ( I think) to a Red Brahma breeder down below Marianna , Fla a few weeks back. He produces registered red Brahma, red Simbrah, and red Charbray bulls. He also sells a lot of f1 red Brahma x red Simm and red Brahma x red Charolais females for replacements. Even his registered red Simm cows are solid with not even a white blaze. Brahma. as well as Simm and Charolais, adds a LOT of hybrid vigor to British cattle, for sure. All of his red cattle looked very, very good to me. His ranch manager told me, that just about every replacement customer they have, uses homo for black bulls, and get 100% black calf crops out of them. It makes sense for people in the deep south, to have herd of red cows, and just a black bull or two, instead of having a herd of black cows, he says. What kinda cows are you breeding him to, @insurman ?

 

[Travlr]

His ranch manager told me, that just about every replacement customer they have, uses homo for black bulls, and get 100% black calf crops out of them.

Really??? Why that's just so surprising coming from you. Can you eve imagine? /S

 

[Warren Allison]

Really??? Why that's just so surprising coming from you. Can you eve imagine? /S

Well, I have to admit,. I was impressed with those red cows for sure. Just goes to show you don't have to go all black to get top dollar for your calves. Just one parent has to be homozygous for black. Heck, I have ended up , with 4 myself, as part of the last cows I intend to fool with. 2 red Char x Gert and 2 red Char x red Brangus heifers I got in a horse trade, and 2 bwf Gert x black Hereford heifers I got for 2 nurse cows. The people I got them from get a little more for the Gert x BH heifers, of course, when they sell them, but we gonna AI them all 6 to a simm-angus bull Dan has in his tank about April, (if I keep them that long) and they will all 6 have black calves that will sell for the same money. I have no problem with red cows, as long as they have black calves to sell.

 

[Travlr]

Well, I have to admit,. I was impressed with those red cows for sure. Just goes to show you don't have to go all black to get top dollar for your calves. Just one parent has to be homozygous for black. Heck, I have ended up , with 4 myself, as part of the last cows I intend to fool with. 2 red Char x Gert and 2 red Char x red Brangus heifers I got in a horse trade, and 2 bwf Gert x black Hereford heifers I got for 2 nurse cows. The people I got them from get a little more for the Gert x BH heifers, of course, when they sell them, but we gonna AI them all 6 to a simm-angus bull Dan has in his tank about April, (if I keep them that long) and they will all 6 have black calves that will sell for the same money. I have no problem with red cows, as long as they have black calves to sell.

Yeah... but it would be a **it-ton better if every calf that walked in the ring was judged on their quality instead of the color of their hide.

 

[BFE]

No, not the infamous red Simbrah bull that was discussed on here about 10+ years ago. Many on here will know what I am talking about.

His first set of calves are on the ground and have about 20 others bred to him. He is a big footed bull, thick and packed full of muscle.

I received his GE EPD's and he is in the top 3% and 10% for CE and BW and top 10% and 15% for WW and YW, so far his numbers are backed up by the calves on the ground. All have come easy and are growing like weeds. He is on purebred Simbrah, 3/4 Simbrah and a few Simmentals.

He turned 4 in September.

Fire away..

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He looks pretty good.


The other bull mentioned, was he home raised, maybe a helper bull on the same farm? I’m pretty sure I know what you’re referring to.

 

[ClinchValley86]

Yeah... but it would be a **it-ton better if every calf that walked in the ring was judged on their quality instead of the color of their hide.

Absolutely has turned me off from selling at barns.

I really dont like looking at black cattle. Gimme red, yellow or smoke, brindle, anything other than black. My single shade tree will eventually die then the blacks are screwed.

 

[Stonewall Joe]

Yeah... but it would be a **it-ton better if every calf that walked in the ring was judged on their quality instead of the color of their hide.

cattle like everything else have a value placed on them by what someone is willing to pay, buyers will give more for black in most cases because the processors will give more for black because marketing programs are set up for black cattle to sell for more at the grocery store. May not be the way everyone wants it but it is the way it is and since it is that way it is easier, more productive and more profitable in most cases to just raise black cattle to maximize your profits than it is to raise red or any other color cattle that take the same production costs but bring less money regardless of any other outside factors

 

[insurman]

Damned good looking bull. I delivered 8 registered Red Charolais cows from the Laue ranch in Kansas ( I think) to a Red Brahma breeder down below Marianna , Fla a few weeks back. He produces registered red Brahma, red Simbrah, and red Charbray bulls. He also sells a lot of f1 red Brahma x red Simm and red Brahma x red Charolais females for replacements. Even his registered red Simm cows are solid with not even a white blaze. Brahma. as well as Simm and Charolais, adds a LOT of hybrid vigor to British cattle, for sure. All of his red cattle looked very, very good to me. His ranch manager told me, that just about every replacement customer they have, uses homo for black bulls, and get 100% black calf crops out of them. It makes sense for people in the deep south, to have herd of red cows, and just a black bull or two, instead of having a herd of black cows, he says. What kinda cows are you breeding him to, @insurman ?

Currently I am using him on my cows which are purebred Simbrah's along with a few 3/4 Simbrah's and a couple of Simmental to create a 3/4.

Talking with a guy about putting him on some red Brahman's.

 

[insurman]

He looks pretty good.


The other bull mentioned, was he home raised, maybe a helper bull on the same farm? I’m pretty sure I know what you’re referring to.

No he was not home raised, just a moderate framed bull.

 

[Travlr]

cattle like everything else have a value placed on them by what someone is willing to pay, buyers will give more for black in most cases because the processors will give more for black because marketing programs are set up for black cattle to sell for more at the grocery store. May not be the way everyone wants it but it is the way it is and since it is that way it is easier, more productive and more profitable in most cases to just raise black cattle to maximize your profits than it is to raise red or any other color cattle that take the same production costs but bring less money regardless of any other outside factors

Which is why it sucks, and it's hurting everyone that raises quality beef.

The bull in question should be judged on his abilities to put meat on a plate and not on the color of the calves he produces. He deserves that for being a quality animal.

 

[M.Magis]

If the administrators ever wonder why traffic here keeps declining, this thread is just one more example of why. Its hard to have a thread with more than 4 replies that doesn’t get hijacked with the “unfair angus” whining. Guess what, life isn’t always fair. Raise goats if you don’t like it. Better yet, start your own feedlot and feed only colored cattle. Do something to fix the “problem” instead of constantly whining about it.

 

[Warren Allison]

cattle like everything else have a value placed on them by what someone is willing to pay, buyers will give more for black in most cases because the processors will give more for black because marketing programs are set up for black cattle to sell for more at the grocery store. May not be the way everyone wants it but it is the way it is and since it is that way it is easier, more productive and more profitable in most cases to just raise black cattle to maximize your profits than it is to raise red or any other color cattle that take the same production costs but bring less money regardless of any other outside factors

Yep. and you can still raise all the red cattle you want to, just use a homozygous for black bull, and you will get the black calves! By the same token, you can have herd of homozygous for black cows, breed them to a bull like this, and still have a crop of black calves to sell.

 

[Travlr]

If the administrators ever wonder why traffic here keeps declining, this thread is just one more example of why. Its hard to have a thread with more than 4 replies that doesn’t get hijacked with the “unfair angus” whining. Guess what, life isn’t always fair. Raise goats if you don’t like it. Better yet, start your own feedlot and feed only colored cattle. Do something to fix the “problem” instead of constantly whining about it.

Or you could just lay down and take it... That's always an option.

 

[Ky hills]

If the administrators ever wonder why traffic here keeps declining, this thread is just one more example of why. It’s hard to have a thread with more than 4 replies that doesn’t get hijacked with the “unfair angus” whining. Guess what, life isn’t always fair. Raise goats if you don’t like it. Better yet, start your own feedlot and feed only colored cattle. Do something to fix the “problem” instead of constantly whining about it.

The thread is literally about a red bull, the same logic that you are saying could very easily be thrown back a few folks that take every opportunity they can to spout Angus black hided propaganda too. It works both ways.
Yes there’s a few folks that predictably make negative comments about Angus or prevalence of black hided cattle, but it isn’t like the black cattle propagandists don’t do the same.
It seems like some folks want to control the narrative and have it both ways. They tout their breed or black color of cattle being the best and most desirable, the most numerous the best selling and on and on. Then when somebody with a different view of things chimes in, which they should be able to, some of the folks that brag about being in the drivers seat start crying foul.
I’ll admit, I get in on that conversation perhaps more than I should, but there’s a couple fellers on here that just spew their propaganda ever time they can make an opportunity too, and sometimes their outlandishness just draws a response from me. Lately I’ve been trying to do a little better, I may just respond to their posts with a laughing emoji, or try to totally ignore the post.
For the record, I like Angus cattle, some of my favorite cattle have been Angus, So I’m absolutely not a hater of Angus, I have several friends that are registered Angus breeders, and i respect what they are trying to do.
I am however not one sided,I like several other breeds of cattle as well and believe that they are every bit as useful and of equal quality to Angus or any black hided animal.
All of my calves right now on cows are 1/2 or higher percent Angus and all black or BWF. Half or more of our cows are black or BWF too, so no Angus haters here.

 

[mwj]

Quality cattle bring premium prices. Black would have the least premium on quality cattle. If people are convinced color is the main driver in profit they should open a paint store.

 

[Travlr]

That doesn't make much sense... but it's funny...