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<blockquote data-quote="Ebenezer" data-source="post: 1327206" data-attributes="member: 24565"><p>You apparently know that AAA uses calf mortality and a lack of a weaning weight as data points. I do not know that. I submit data and I assume that they use my "no assistance", "some assistance" or "hard pull" or whatever their terms on the dropdown to estimate a calving ease EPD. If they use a dead calf as a -50 EPD and a whole cow program where an open cow shows a 0 weaning weight then I can see your point. But I thought that the indexes were based on EPDs and current market values of calves and feed. If AAA required a whole herd reporting then you would be correct. They do not require whole herd reporting.</p><p></p><p>Honestly, I never pay much attention to $W. $EN tell me if a cow or bull would be a low producer (some call easy keeper) or a bag of bones in our management and environment. I want neither. $B is a terminal trait so I do not see much value for me in a balanced type vision where other breeds are a sure source and the economical option of terminal traits in F1s. I have a feel for EPDs and hope that they are accurate. But I have to laugh at some as our cows might calve unassisted with reasonable calf weights for 10 years and still have a low CED or a higher BW EPD. But I know the truth and motor on down the road.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ebenezer, post: 1327206, member: 24565"] You apparently know that AAA uses calf mortality and a lack of a weaning weight as data points. I do not know that. I submit data and I assume that they use my "no assistance", "some assistance" or "hard pull" or whatever their terms on the dropdown to estimate a calving ease EPD. If they use a dead calf as a -50 EPD and a whole cow program where an open cow shows a 0 weaning weight then I can see your point. But I thought that the indexes were based on EPDs and current market values of calves and feed. If AAA required a whole herd reporting then you would be correct. They do not require whole herd reporting. Honestly, I never pay much attention to $W. $EN tell me if a cow or bull would be a low producer (some call easy keeper) or a bag of bones in our management and environment. I want neither. $B is a terminal trait so I do not see much value for me in a balanced type vision where other breeds are a sure source and the economical option of terminal traits in F1s. I have a feel for EPDs and hope that they are accurate. But I have to laugh at some as our cows might calve unassisted with reasonable calf weights for 10 years and still have a low CED or a higher BW EPD. But I know the truth and motor on down the road. [/QUOTE]
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