Purebreeding Ethical Standards

[alexfarms]

Just wondering if there is an association of purebred breeders that sets ethical standards for members to adhere to. Sort of like the National Association of Realtors where members voluntarily join and agree to adhere to certain ethical standards. It gets pretty sickening to see foney advertising going on with doctored pictures, falsified ages, misrepresented calving seasons, misrepresented pedigrees, etc. And if you question someone on it the standard answer is "well everyone does it" or "you have to do it to be competitive". I know it can't be policed and sure enough anyone can call themselves a purebred breeder, but it looks to me like we ought to be able to do better than "anything goes". There's some pretty cheap and tacky stuff going on that wouldn't be tolerated in most industries.

 

[branguscowgirl]

Individual breed registries have standards that must be met, they calculate the EPDs based on the information that an individual provides. There is a whole list of rules and requirements that must be adhered to.
When you show cattle in a breed show, there are often times officials from the association present that can inspect your animals at any time.
Other than that, I do not know of anything required for people claiming that they have "purebred" animals.
Is this what you are talking about?

 

[TexasBred]

Just wondering if there is an association of purebred breeders that sets ethical standards for members to adhere to. Sort of like the National Association of Realtors where members voluntarily join and agree to adhere to certain ethical standards. It gets pretty sickening to see foney advertising going on with doctored pictures, falsified ages, misrepresented calving seasons, misrepresented pedigrees, etc. And if you question someone on it the standard answer is "well everyone does it" or "you have to do it to be competitive". I know it can't be policed and sure enough anyone can call themselves a purebred breeder, but it looks to me like we ought to be able to do better than "anything goes". There's some pretty cheap and tacky stuff going on that wouldn't be tolerated in most industries.

I hope it's much more effective than the association of realtors. Realtors are some of the worst !!!

 

[Rahe Family Belties]

Unfortunately there are way too many folks who exhibit or sell show cattle that have no problem with falsifying birth dates, breeding records, parentage and performance data in order to win a show, sell more cattle, or have greater/better EPD's.

I personally have no faith in EPD's since most of the data is put in by the folks selling the cattle.

Nobody wants to call BS, just like nobody wants to inform officials when an animal is pumped at a show, or given shots/medicated, or a myriad other cheating instances.

Something wrong with the concept. Lawyers also must adhere to strict ethical and moral standards or they will be removed from the Bar Association.

 

[alexfarms]

Just wondering if there is an association of purebred breeders that sets ethical standards for members to adhere to. Sort of like the National Association of Realtors where members voluntarily join and agree to adhere to certain ethical standards. It gets pretty sickening to see foney advertising going on with doctored pictures, falsified ages, misrepresented calving seasons, misrepresented pedigrees, etc. And if you question someone on it the standard answer is "well everyone does it" or "you have to do it to be competitive". I know it can't be policed and sure enough anyone can call themselves a purebred breeder, but it looks to me like we ought to be able to do better than "anything goes". There's some pretty cheap and tacky stuff going on that wouldn't be tolerated in most industries.

I hope it's much more effective than the association of realtors. Realtors are some of the worst !!!

Yep, real estate is ripe with shady deals and characters. That is one of the reasons the National Association of Realtors was organized. It's debatable how effective its been on the overall industry. Same with attorneys. At one time it was "anything goes" in both those areas.

 

[TexasBred]

Just wondering if there is an association of purebred breeders that sets ethical standards for members to adhere to. Sort of like the National Association of Realtors where members voluntarily join and agree to adhere to certain ethical standards. It gets pretty sickening to see foney advertising going on with doctored pictures, falsified ages, misrepresented calving seasons, misrepresented pedigrees, etc. And if you question someone on it the standard answer is "well everyone does it" or "you have to do it to be competitive". I know it can't be policed and sure enough anyone can call themselves a purebred breeder, but it looks to me like we ought to be able to do better than "anything goes". There's some pretty cheap and tacky stuff going on that wouldn't be tolerated in most industries.

I hope it's much more effective than the association of realtors. Realtors are some of the worst !!!

Everyone always puts there membership certificate in a pretty big frame so potential clients can see they are a member. :lol2: :lol2: then try to buy their home from them at half price so they won't have to wait 90 days to sell it.
Yep, real estate is ripe with shady deals and characters. That is one of the reasons the National Association of Realtors was organized. It's debatable how effective its been on the overall industry. Same with attorneys. At one time it was "anything goes" in both those areas.

 

[pdfangus]

all of this is why I stated in another thread about buying cattle.....

find a seller you can trust....there are legitimate and reputable breeders.

the livestock business seems to draw or create charlatans...just like many other businesses do.......i have found as many crooked cattle traders as i have horse traders and we all know what kind of name they have....

I have also dealt with crooked contractors, painters, plumbers, preachers and mechanics and folks in every other walk of life....
Man is a flawed beast at best....

 

[branguscowgirl]

Sad, sad, world we live in when people have to cheat and lie. As everyone has stated, buying from the "right kind of people" is all you can do to improve your odds of getting what you pay for.

 

[dun]

Ethics is what you do when no one can see you. There are those that it doesn;t matter if they;re seen or not. Then there are the other ones!

 

[M5farm]

Just wondering if there is an association of purebred breeders that sets ethical standards for members to adhere to. Sort of like the National Association of Realtors where members voluntarily join and agree to adhere to certain ethical standards. It gets pretty sickening to see foney advertising going on with doctored pictures, falsified ages, misrepresented calving seasons, misrepresented pedigrees, etc. And if you question someone on it the standard answer is "well everyone does it" or "you have to do it to be competitive". I know it can't be policed and sure enough anyone can call themselves a purebred breeder, but it looks to me like we ought to be able to do better than "anything goes". There's some pretty cheap and tacky stuff going on that wouldn't be tolerated in most industries.

I hope it's much more effective than the association of realtors. Realtors are some of the worst !!!

right up there with bankers

 

[SPH]

I think that breeds are at least making some kind of an effort to police what they can and with advancements in technology hopefully it gets better too but doubt there will ever be a fail safe way to police all of the dishonesty that goes on. I don't know exactly what other breeds are doing but I know with Herefords that in order to register an animal out of a sire born after Jan 1. 2011 that sire has to be DNA genotyped. Most major shows these days (and to some extent smaller ones too) are now testing the champions to verify parentage/breed purebred as well so that is eliminating some of the issues where people are debating the breed of a club calf.

It still doesn't stop the disregard for reporting inaccurate birth dates and weight/measurement data and that is very hard to police because unless you send someone directly from the association to the farm to do all the work there is always that chance someone alters something. Bottom line, this is where reputations are made or broken. Do things the right way and you will be respected and trusted. Do things they shady way and get caught it can severely damage a reputation.

Rahe: I completely agree with your statement about animals being pumped at shows. I served on a state junior beef breeds council a few years as a junior in the 90's and it's amazing some of the difference of opinions/views you can get when you mix kids that show different types of breeds and either breeding or market animals. One meeting one guy proposed to add a rule that pumping to be illegal at all beef breeds sanctioned shows and anyone caught was disqualified and stripped of their points. It got shot down fairly quick in debate by a few of the people that showed club calf steers but no one was really giving a good reason why other than it would be "hard to police." I completely agreed with his proposal, in fact I was serving on my county's youth extension committee at the time and we had just implemented that rule recently for the county fair show and many of the state breed associations had similar rules in place. He and I voiced that unless you are doing it yourself (which we pretty much assumed the most vocal ones in the room probably were doing it) then this should be a no brainer to pass as a rule because why else would there be a reason. Wasn't too many meetings after that one I finally got fed up with the attitudes of some of the people on the council basically using their spot on the council more for their own personal interests and gains than doing what is right and resigned from my spot and sent a resignation letter to the council's advisor pretty much stating that as one of my reasons. Whether that letter was read or passed out to everyone in a meeting I will never know. Was glad to see that eventually (maybe a year or 2 later?) they finally did pass a rule to make pumping illegal but that is one of the evil sides of the show cattle world is there are a lot of shady and dishonest people and it's sad that when some of those people win everyone in the show ring has their doubts about the legitimacy of the animal in some way. Just because there is a rule about no pumping there are people that will take the calf out to the trailer and do it where no one is nearby to witness it so we can put all the rules we want in place but unfortunately that will never stop it entirely.

 

[TexasBred]

Just wondering if there is an association of purebred breeders that sets ethical standards for members to adhere to. Sort of like the National Association of Realtors where members voluntarily join and agree to adhere to certain ethical standards. It gets pretty sickening to see foney advertising going on with doctored pictures, falsified ages, misrepresented calving seasons, misrepresented pedigrees, etc. And if you question someone on it the standard answer is "well everyone does it" or "you have to do it to be competitive". I know it can't be policed and sure enough anyone can call themselves a purebred breeder, but it looks to me like we ought to be able to do better than "anything goes". There's some pretty cheap and tacky stuff going on that wouldn't be tolerated in most industries.

I hope it's much more effective than the association of realtors. Realtors are some of the worst !!!

right up there with bankers

Hardly...I'd guess 99% of bankers are good solid honest hard working folks. But I've met a couple of crooked ones too. Unfortunately they have to deal with a lot of idiots who forget their obligation as soon as they get the money.

 

[M5farm]

TEXASBRED

http://www.wtvy.com/news/crimes/headlin ... 75041.html
just happened around here.
Now I was just poking you with a stick when I made my comment :mrgreen:

hijack over

 

[LauraleesFarm]

Oh yeah bankers are crooked. For sure!
The president of the bank that I worked at as a teenager went to prison for imbezzlement of some sort. He and his secretary were making themselves cashier checks to supplement their income..... :roll:

 

[Rahe Family Belties]

SPH-
We chose Belted Galloway cattle for our farm for a number of reasons:
1.I have found Beltie breeders on the whole to be very proud of their cattle and honest in their dealings.
2.Breeders are very helpful in finding cattle for others or helping direct buyers to those who seek cattle.
3.They have a very good junior program rewarding kids well at shows.
4.There is a strong demand for the cattle. I can sell a lot more than I have available.
5.Maintaining the breed's purity and heritage is more important than following the whims of the showring.
6.We don't have EPD's, but depend upon breeders to submit actual birth weights which are recorded with sire pedigrees.
7.Weaning and yearling weights are not typically recorded since most of these cattle are grassfed. No reason to cheat/lie.
8.A.I.Sires must submit DNA to insure breed purity.
9.ET calves must submit DNA for purity testing.
10.They are beautiful and tame cattle that are just cool.

 

[TexasBred]

Oh yeah bankers are crooked. For sure!
The president of the bank that I worked at as a teenager went to prison for imbezzlement of some sort. He and his secretary were making themselves cashier checks to supplement their income..... :roll:

Well we have two confirmed crooks in the banking business....now how many folks work in banks in the country?? :lol: :lol: Same for lawyer. Bankers and lawyers are sort of like herd bulls....pretty worthless until you need them. :nod: