Purebred?

[SouthFla]

Could this animal be purebred?

 

[dun]

Sure, it could be, or it may not be. If you really want to know have a DNA test done

 

[Beefy]

it could be. why do you ask? i think its probably not, but its possible.

 

[SouthFla]

Beefy, I'm going to sell the beef.

Thought it would be good marketing to say "Purebred."

Probably not enough marketing benefit / gain to warrant a DNA test I guess.

 

[Jovid]

Looks like she has a lot of Red Poll in her to me.

 

[Santas and Duhram Reds]

I would say Santa Gertrudis

 

[IluvABbeef]

Looks more like Red Angus X Santa Gertudis or some other southern breed to me.

 

[Alan]

Beefy, I'm going to sell the beef.

Thought it would be good marketing to say "Purebred."

Probably not enough marketing benefit / gain to warrant a DNA test I guess.

If you don't know for sure, it's not purebred, and shouldn't be sold as such.... who you trying to kid? According to the cattle today board it's a purebred.....?

Alan

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

Whether it is purebred or not - you can't "claim" that it is unless you have registration papers SAYING that it is purebred.
And if you are selling MEAT, what difference does it make?
Be honest with your buyers.

 

[Limomike]

Looks more like Red Angus X Santa Gertudis or some other southern breed to me.

I agree. That head and ears are looking like a Gert

 

[Julian]

If she is a purebred I would guess that she is a Red Brangus.

 

[SouthFla]

Alan and Jeanne,

If I were dishonest would I even be asking the opinion of people who might know?

Just entering the business and was curious that’s all.

I think she’s a beautiful animal.

She’ll be in the pasture and for no apparent reason just start sprinting around and kicking her heels. She’ll do this for several minutes and then just stop and start grazing.

Sometimes, my black one will join in for a few seconds and then stop and look at the red as if thinking, “What’s wrong with you?”

Although, I’ve never owned my own, I’ve been around cattle all my life and have never seen one behave like this. (Granted I didn’t keep me eye on other’s cattle like I do my own.)

She seems more what I would have expected a bull to act like, dominant, pushy, aggressive.

 

[dun]

Alan and Jeanne,

If I were dishonest would I even be asking the opinion of people who might know?

Just entering the business and was curious that’s all.

I think she’s a beautiful animal.

She’ll be in the pasture and for no apparent reason just start sprinting around and kicking her heels. She’ll do this for several minutes and then just stop and start grazing.

Sometimes, my black one will join in for a few seconds and then stop and look at the red as if thinking, “What’s wrong with you?”

Although, I’ve never owned my own, I’ve been around cattle all my life and have never seen one behave like this. (Granted I didn’t keep me eye on other’s cattle like I do my own.)

She seems more what I would have expected a bull to act like, dominant, pushy, aggressive.

Could be a couple of reasons for the kicking up the heels and running, heelflys or she just feels so darn good.
Personalitys of cattle vary as much as they do in humans. We've had heifers that would push grown cows out of the way, or at least try, and bulls that were intimidated by everyone including the other calves. The calves from the dominanat cow most of the time will be the most aggresive/pushy. They get it from watching their mothers. And yet this year the 2 calves from the most dominant cows are lumps, no pushyness, or dominance in them.

 

[Australian Cattleman]

Looks like a nice young Santa heifer to me. A crossbred will never be a purebred.

 

[dun]

Looks like a nice young Santa heifer to me. A crossbred will never be a purebred.

Unless it's a purebred black hereford

 

[1848]

Looks like a gert/limi cross

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Beefy, I'm going to sell the beef.

Thought it would be good marketing to say "Purebred."

Probably not enough marketing benefit / gain to warrant a DNA test I guess.

-SouthFla,

The only way to absolutely KNOW for certain whether an animal is purebred is through a DNA test - and NO, in your particular venue at this time it is not worth the money or effort or time to have a DNA test accomplished.

If you are in the BEEF business, does that mean 'Cow-Calf" operation, or feedlot-type work, or buy-sell "Trader" protocols - or - of what exactly does your operation consist? Is it a commercial herd, by which you are NOT raising purebred calves, but just calves for a commercial operation and selling them as weaned calves? You might consider retaining this individual as a future momma cow, because she is not a bad potential cow given her Phenotype. Have you been in the business to the extent that you understand what "Phenotype" really means? There is a lot to keep in your mind when you are just starting out in the cow business on your own, and your priorities change when you realize that these animals are your BU$INE$$, and to make a successful BU$INE$$ out of your enterprise takes a lot of learning and reading and thinking.

The members of this forum are willing to help anyone who is deteermined to learn, and asking questions is ONE way to learn, but seeking your own answers is always the way to start, and you can't begin soon enough! The SEARCH ENGINES on the internet (Google, Dogpile, Ask, and others) are terrific places to start with whatever questions you have in your mind. Here is a good example: Question in your mind: "How to manage weaned heifers?" Go to 'Dogpile.com', type that question in the box, and see what comes to your screen!!

Good luck with your new BU$INE$$!

DOC HARRIS

 

[warpaint]

Beefy, I'm going to sell the beef.

Thought it would be good marketing to say "Purebred."

Probably not enough marketing benefit / gain to warrant a DNA test I guess.

-SouthFla,

The only way to absolutely KNOW for certain whether an animal is purebred is through a DNA test - and NO, in your particular venue at this time it is not worth the money or effort or time to have a DNA test accomplished.

If you are in the BEEF business, does that mean 'Cow-Calf" operation, or feedlot-type work, or buy-sell "Trader" protocols - or - of what exactly does your operation consist? Is it a commercial herd, by which you are NOT raising purebred calves, but just calves for a commercial operation and selling them as weaned calves? You might consider retaining this individual as a future momma cow, because she is not a bad potential cow given her Phenotype. Have you been in the business to the extent that you understand what "Phenotype" really means? There is a lot to keep in your mind when you are just starting out in the cow business on your own, and your priorities change when you realize that these animals are your BU$INE$$, and to make a successful BU$INE$$ out of your enterprise takes a lot of learning and reading and thinking.

The members of this forum are willing to help anyone who is deteermined to learn, and asking questions is ONE way to learn, but seeking your own answers is always the way to start, and you can't begin soon enough! The SEARCH ENGINES on the internet (Google, Dogpile, Ask, and others) are terrific places to start with whatever questions you have in your mind. Here is a good example: Question in your mind: "How to manage weaned heifers?" Go to 'Dogpile.com', type that question in the box, and see what comes to your screen!!

Good luck with your new BU$INE$$!

DOC HARRIS

What Doc said!

If you want to be in the purbred business, go that way. Otherwise, market the calf as beef.

 

[SouthFla]

Doc,

Thanks, I appreciate the input.

It’s really not important if she’s purebred or not except to the extent that I’d like to be able to convey an informed response to the inevitable question from a potential meat buyer, “What breed is it?”

Guaranteed I won’t respond, “What do you care? She’s being slaughtered.”

My operation consists of buying newly weaned calves for feeding to slaughter weight for my extended family with two (2) to three (3) extra sides for friends, co-workers and general public.

Since I am able to work from home, (computing consultant) I’m starting this beef business out of my disdain for organic beef prices at the grocery store.

Though my first two (2) are not being raised organic, I intend to make the next two (2) organic as I’ve located sources for certified organic grain and organic hay.

My pasture meets the requirements for organic.

I’ve also found a local Black Angus rancher where I can buy culls at a reasonable rate.

Again, thanks for your advice.

 

[Brandonm2]

Looks like a nice young Santa heifer to me. A crossbred will never be a purebred.

The first Santa Gertrudis's were crossbreds created from crossing Brahmans with Shorthorns. When the King Ranch got what they wanted, the declared them "purebreds". I am sure there were cattlemen at the time who thought they were just crossbreeds.