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<blockquote data-quote="504RP" data-source="post: 1649572" data-attributes="member: 40335"><p>I always have had a BSE done on my bulls before i ever put them on cows. And keep up with the body condition of the cows. They are given mineral, whatever supplements i feel they need. I think they are aways in good condition. I vaccinate cows, calves, bull all.</p><p></p><p>Up until this last year i would have the cows palpated a couple months after i had pulled the bull to see what was going on with them. But didn't this last time.</p><p></p><p>But i am going to make some changes. May even try something new. I have heared my Vet talking about luttle lacing cows on a couple different occasions. But if i remember right he was doing that on groups of heifers that were bought at the sale barn that hadn't had calves yet ( 6 to 700 lb heifers) that wasn't supposed to have ever been ecposed to a bull. But the owner wanted to lace them so just in case they were early bred they would abort rather than run the risk of them dieing from giving birth to a calf out of a bull that was known to throw calfs big enough that could kill a first time heifer.</p><p></p><p>Well i am past that point with this heard i have now. All of these cows have had at least 3 calves each, most of them 4.</p><p></p><p>Most of thoes calves are out of the bull i kept. So i am not too worried about having to pull a calf because its is too big. Haven't pulled a calf one out of this heard so far. Other than the one that prolapsed i haven't had any calving problems until these not breeding back.</p><p></p><p>So i think i am going to try somethings first before i start culling cows. Its not that i don't agree with what alot of you are talking about losing money on open cows. It's just that its not like i am losing a fortune on 28 head. Even with all 28 having a calve every 12 months like clock work. With the prices all over the board from one year to the next i am lucky to break even every now and then.</p><p></p><p>One of the things i am going to try is luttle lacing them a few at a time at the beginning of breeding season to bring them in heat. I know that would be alot of trouble but again i only have 28 head so it's doable .</p><p></p><p>And if it works it would be something that could pay off in the future. I have done it with horse's and had real good luck.</p><p></p><p>Plus it looks to me like there would be some risk involved in culling a cow that doesn't or is slow to breed back in replacing it with one that your going to take a chance on that doesn't have the same problems as the one you just culled. And to me if that was to happen again you have just lost more time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="504RP, post: 1649572, member: 40335"] I always have had a BSE done on my bulls before i ever put them on cows. And keep up with the body condition of the cows. They are given mineral, whatever supplements i feel they need. I think they are aways in good condition. I vaccinate cows, calves, bull all. Up until this last year i would have the cows palpated a couple months after i had pulled the bull to see what was going on with them. But didn't this last time. But i am going to make some changes. May even try something new. I have heared my Vet talking about luttle lacing cows on a couple different occasions. But if i remember right he was doing that on groups of heifers that were bought at the sale barn that hadn't had calves yet ( 6 to 700 lb heifers) that wasn't supposed to have ever been ecposed to a bull. But the owner wanted to lace them so just in case they were early bred they would abort rather than run the risk of them dieing from giving birth to a calf out of a bull that was known to throw calfs big enough that could kill a first time heifer. Well i am past that point with this heard i have now. All of these cows have had at least 3 calves each, most of them 4. Most of thoes calves are out of the bull i kept. So i am not too worried about having to pull a calf because its is too big. Haven't pulled a calf one out of this heard so far. Other than the one that prolapsed i haven't had any calving problems until these not breeding back. So i think i am going to try somethings first before i start culling cows. Its not that i don't agree with what alot of you are talking about losing money on open cows. It's just that its not like i am losing a fortune on 28 head. Even with all 28 having a calve every 12 months like clock work. With the prices all over the board from one year to the next i am lucky to break even every now and then. One of the things i am going to try is luttle lacing them a few at a time at the beginning of breeding season to bring them in heat. I know that would be alot of trouble but again i only have 28 head so it's doable . And if it works it would be something that could pay off in the future. I have done it with horse's and had real good luck. Plus it looks to me like there would be some risk involved in culling a cow that doesn't or is slow to breed back in replacing it with one that your going to take a chance on that doesn't have the same problems as the one you just culled. And to me if that was to happen again you have just lost more time. [/QUOTE]
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