Producers Pleased with OIE BSE Change

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Producers Pleased with OIE Change to BSE Regulations; Canada Still Poses Significant Disease Risk



(Billings, Mont.) – R-CALF USA was pleased to learn that member countries of the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) last week voted unanimously to revise the three definitions of risk categories for countries affected by bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE): negligible, controlled, and undetermined.



Previously, a country that discovered a case of BSE had to wait seven years from the date of its latest discovery before being eligible to be classified as a “negligible risk” country, the category for countries with the least amount of risk from the disease.



Under these guidelines, the U.S. would have had to wait until the year 2013 to be classified as a negligible risk country after the March 2006 discovery of a BSE-infected cow in Alabama.



Now, as a result of OIE’s decision, countries work from the date of birth of the animal discovered to be infected with the BSE agent – a significant change that more accurately reflects the scientific knowledge surrounding the disease.



“Scientists have determined that BSE is caused by feeding contaminated animal-based feed to cattle, and that cattle are most likely to become infected with BSE during the first year of their lives, so using the infected animal’s birth date as a reference point allows countries to determine how recently contaminated feed may have been circulating within their feed system,” explained R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard. “OIE’s decision also allows countries to determine how effective their feed bans have been in arresting the spread of BSE within their borders.



“OIE is now saying countries with adequate testing programs that detect no cases in cattle born within the past 11 years should be considered as a negligible risk for BSE because there is no evidence the disease has been recycling in the feed supplies of those countries,” Bullard continued..



By applying this new reference point to the United States, which has tested over 720,000 cattle since June 2004 and detected two BSE-infected animals born more than 10 years ago, the scientific evidence suggests that while the disease may have been prevalent before the U.S. implemented its 1997 feed ban, the fact that no cases have been detected in cattle born after the feed ban suggests that the U.S. has effectively halted the continued recycling of the BSE agent,” Bullard said. “The risk in Canada, however, is inherently greater given this new standard.



“Of the six BSE cases detected in Canada after testing less than 110,000 cattle since 2004, half of Canada’s BSE cases were born after the 1997 implementation of its feed ban, which suggests a continuing BSE problem in that country,” Bullard explained. “Canada will have to wait until the year 2011 before OIE would even consider placing that country in the negligible-risk category.



“This suggests that the United States needs to rethink its trading position with Canada if the U.S. intends to restore confidence in the minds of international export customers,” Bullard continued. “It is irrational for the U.S. to continue commingling Canadian beef and Canadian cattle with U.S. beef and U.S. cattle when the rest of the world knows that Canada has an inherently higher risk for BSE. The U.S. is presently accepting Canadian beef products and cattle into the United States that U.S. export customers will not accept.



“For example, the countries of Japan, Mexico, Philippines, Taiwan, Egypt, and Hong Kong will not accept any ground beef from BSE-affected countries,” Bullard said. “Yet, not only is the U.S. allowing Canadian ground beef into the United States, but the U.S. also is allowing in imports of Canadian cattle that are eventually made into ground beef. It is clear, that for more than two years, this practice has complicated the reopening of U.S. export markets and is hurting the financial viability of the U.S. cattle industry.”



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R-CALF USA (Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America) represents thousands of U.S. cattle producers on domestic and international trade and marketing issues. R-CALF USA, a national, non-profit organization, is dedicated to ensuring the continued profitability and viability of the U.S. cattle industry. R-CALF USA’s membership consists primarily of cow/calf operators, cattle backgrounders, and feedlot owners. Its members – over 18,000 strong – are located in 47 states, and the organization has over 60 local and state association affiliates, from both cattle and farm organizations. Various main street businesses are associate members of R-CALF USA. For more information, visit http://www.r-calfusa.com or, call 406-252-2516.

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Oldtimer do you ever gag just a little when you swallow this crap? If we can not tell where the last cow came from you now want us to believe you have her exact date of birth on file :shock: I really think the hot weather has got you down!
 
mwj":27vir5sf said:
Oldtimer do you ever gag just a little when you swallow this crap? If we can not tell where the last cow came from you now want us to believe you have her exact date of birth on file :shock: I really think the hot weather has got you down!

Well according to USDA's investigation and accepted by several other countries investigators the cow has to be over 10 years old...

Don't you believe in "sound science" ? Don't you believe the USDA? Don't you believe your government? :???:
 
THE SKY IS FALLING
the sky is falling
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heaven help us
we are doooooooomed
ohhhhhh no!!!
run
head for the hills
THE SKY IS FALLING
 
Oldtimer":34bqebtj said:
mwj":34bqebtj said:
Oldtimer do you ever gag just a little when you swallow this crap? If we can not tell where the last cow came from you now want us to believe you have her exact date of birth on file :shock: I really think the hot weather has got you down!

Don't you believe the USDA? Don't you believe your government? :???:

Not only no, but hell no!!!! Oldtimer, with all due respect, trying thumping yourself - maybe it will jar you out of skipping mode and you can get past this phase. Just out of idle curiosity, what kind of payoff do you get for spouting this crap that R-Calf puts out?
 
Oldtimer":1hozrkw3 said:
“Scientists have determined that BSE is caused by feeding contaminated animal-based feed to cattle,

Really Ot .. thought you said it was spontantous last week“ Wonder what it will be when you find your first postban case

Oldtimer":1hozrkw3 said:
“OIE is now saying countries with adequate testing programs that detect no cases in cattle born within the past 11 years should be considered as a negligible risk for BSE because there is no evidence the disease has been recycling in the feed supplies of those countries,” Bullard continued..



By applying this new reference point to the United States, which has tested over 720,000 cattle since June 2004

The key word in this phrase is adequate OT..Not questionable are you & bullard confused :roll:

OIE is now saying countries with adequate testing programs that detect no cases in cattle born within the past 11 years should be considered as a negligible risk for BSE because there is no evidence the disease has been recycling in the feed supplies of those countries,“




Oldtimer":1hozrkw3 said:
“and detected two BSE-infected animals born more than 10 years ago, the scientific evidence suggests that while the disease may have been prevalent before the U.S. implemented its 1997 feed ban, ,

Ot do you or that bonehead bullard even know what prevelant means ==common or commonly occuring,widespread, So are you saying it just disappeared with the apperance of the U.s feedban“

Oldtimer":1hozrkw3 said:
“the fact that no cases have been detected in cattle born after the feed ban suggests that the U.S. has effectively halted the continued recycling of the BSE agent



:lol: You and bullard need to lay off the wacky tobackky“









Oldtimer":1hozrkw3 said:
It is clear, that for more than two years, this practice has complicated the reopening of U.S. export markets and is hurting the financial viability of the U.S. cattle industry


“You had your chance in Japan, you screwed that up all on your own““



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msscamp":3q4smf89 said:
Oldtimer":3q4smf89 said:
mwj":3q4smf89 said:
Oldtimer do you ever gag just a little when you swallow this crap? If we can not tell where the last cow came from you now want us to believe you have her exact date of birth on file :shock: I really think the hot weather has got you down!

Don't you believe the USDA? Don't you believe your government? :???:

Not only no, but be nice no!!!! Oldtimer, with all due respect, trying thumping yourself - maybe it will jar you out of skipping mode and you can get past this phase. Just out of idle curiosity, what kind of payoff do you get for spouting this crap that R-Calf puts out?

msscamp- I sit in about the same place as you do about trusting the USDA and have seen how terribly flawed they have been in handling this whole BSE situation- which could end up being a disaster to the US cattle industry...The Apellate Court should have allowed R-CALF to require the USDA to lie out its scientific evidence for review by an impartial party.

What you see as crap- I see as one of the only barriers to keeping the Corporate World from completely taking over and controlling USDA policy and the US cattle industry....
 
frenchie- I don't think you will find anywhere that I said spontaneous- as I don't believe in such...Spontaneous is just an excuse word they use when they can't find the real answer...

The main ones I'm hearing using that is Canadians-since the CFIA has been unable to find the source of the 3 POST feedban infections, they think they can pawn it off as being spontaneous...Which could become quite important to Canada because under this new OIE rules you have to prove an effective feed ban to even get controlled status- which will have a big effect on the further changes of any US import rules..

And frenchie- USDA's testing will be recognized as adequate...Apparently you aren't aware that the chairman of the OIE committee that does the evaluations, and that changed this rule, is from the US and a USDA employee.. ;-) :???:
 
Oldtimer":h4qfr608 said:
frenchie- I don't think you will find anywhere that I said spontaneous- as I don't believe in such...:???:

Really OT... I have saved almost 2600 of your posts , I.ll bet if I look long enough ..I will find that statement or one very similar

Oldtimer":h4qfr608 said:
The main ones I'm hearing using that is Canadians-since the CFIA has been unable to find the source of the 3 POST feedban infections, they think they can pawn it off as being spontaneous....:???:

Feedban infections :lol: There is more than 1 theory on the cause Of b.S.E OT.after all even the experts don,t all agree.


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Oldtimer":h4qfr608 said:
.Which could become quite important to Canada because under this new OIE rules you have to prove an effective feed ban to even get controlled status- which will have a big effect on the further changes of any US import rules.

Prove an effective feed ban. :lol: . What about the 1200 feed ban violations the F.D.A found within the U.S in 2003

Oldtimer":h4qfr608 said:
.And frenchie- USDA's testing will be recognized as adequate...Apparently you aren't aware that the chairman of the OIE committee that does the evaluations, and that changed this rule, is from the US and a USDA employee.. ;-) :???:

Regardless of where he is from OT , he still has to answer to the board. :lol:
 
frenchie
Regardless of where he is from OT , he still has to answer to the board.

It is beginning to appear as tho the board and entire OIE answers to the same influences that control the USDA- the "science of Big Money"....
 
Oldtimer":26pmfxc4 said:
frenchie- I don't think you will find anywhere that I said spontaneous- as I don't believe in such...Spontaneous is just an excuse word they use when they can't find the real answer...

The main ones I'm hearing using that is Canadians-since the CFIA has been unable to find the source of the 3 POST feedban infections, they think they can pawn it off as being spontaneous...

Experts: Mad cow cases could be spontaneous
Infections in Texas and Alabama may have come from mysterious strain


Updated: 12:19 a.m. CT June 11, 2006
WASHINGTON - Two cases of mad cow disease in Texas and Alabama seem to have resulted from a mysterious strain that could appear spontaneously in cattle, researchers say.

Government officials are trying to play down differences between the two U.S. cases and the mad cow epidemic that has led to the slaughter of thousands of cattle in Britain since the 1980s.

It is precisely these differences that are complicating efforts to understand the brain-wasting disorder, known medically as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE for short.

“It’s most important right now, till the science tells us otherwise, that we treat this as BSE regardless,” the Agriculture Department’s chief veterinarian, John Clifford, said in an interview.

The Texas and Alabama cases—confirmed last year and this one, respectively—are drawing international attention.

At a meeting in London last month, experts presented research on the U.S. cases and on similar ones in Europe.

These cows appear to have had an “atypical” strain that scientists are only now starting to identify. Such cases have been described in about a dozen cows in France, Italy and other European countries, as well as in Japan.

In the two U.S. cases, researchers did not detect the telltale spongy lesions caused by prions, the misfolded proteins that deposit plaque on the brain and kill brain cells. In addition, the prions in brain tissue samples from the Texas and Alabama cows seemed to be distributed differently from what would be expected to be found in cows with the classic form.

Laboratory studies on mice in France showed that both the classic and atypical strains could be spread from one animal to another. But scientists theorize the atypical strain might have infected cattle through an unusual way.

Mad cow disease is not transmitted from cow to cow like a cold or the flu. It is believed to spread through feed, when cows eat the contaminated tissue of other cattle. That happens when crushed cattle remains are added to feed as a protein source. This once-common practice ended in the United States in 1997.

Humans can get a related disease, variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, in similar fashion—by eating meat contaminated with mad cow. Mad cow in humans afflicts younger people; the average age at death is 28 years.

A more common form of CJD—not linked to mad cow—can happen spontaneously and is reported in nearly 300 people in the U.S. each year. This form occurs mostly in older people; the average age at death is 68.

Some scientists are raising the possibility that the atypical strain also might happen spontaneously in cattle. The Texas and Alabama cows were older animals, as were some of the other animals in Europe with seemingly atypical cases.

Linda Detwiler, a former Agriculture Department veterinarian who consults for major food companies, cautioned against making that assumption. “I think it’s kind of early to say that would be the case,” Detwiler said.

Other theories, she said, suggest the atypical strain might come from a mutation of mad cow disease or even from a related disease in sheep.

Mad cow disease has turned up three times in the United States:

in native-born animals in Texas and Alabama and in a Canadian import in Washington state.

In the Texas and Alabama cows, tests found patterns distinct from what turned up in an infected cow in Washington state and a cluster of Canadian cases, researchers say. The Washington and Canadian cases resemble the classic British cases.

No matter what the origins might be of an atypical strain, the government says there is no reason to change federal testing or measures that safeguard animals and people from the disease.

“We still feel confident in the safeguards that we have,” Clifford said. “We have to base our assumptions on what is scientifically known and understood.”

Meanwhile, mad cow research has been halted at the Agriculture Department’s lab in Ames, Iowa, because of employee allegations that the lab improperly was disposing of animal waste.

The department asked a group of international experts to review the lab’s disposal practices. The city of Ames also is investigating.

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frenchie":2egfcmdd said:
Oldtimer":2egfcmdd said:
frenchie- I don't think you will find anywhere that I said spontaneous- as I don't believe in such...Spontaneous is just an excuse word they use when they can't find the real answer...

The main ones I'm hearing using that is Canadians-since the CFIA has been unable to find the source of the 3 POST feedban infections, they think they can pawn it off as being spontaneous...

Experts: Mad cow cases could be spontaneous
Infections in Texas and Alabama may have come from mysterious strain


Updated: 12:19 a.m. CT June 11, 2006
WASHINGTON - Two cases of mad cow disease in Texas and Alabama seem to have resulted from a mysterious strain that could appear spontaneously in cattle, researchers say.

Government officials are trying to play down differences between the two U.S. cases and the mad cow epidemic that has led to the slaughter of thousands of cattle in Britain since the 1980s.

It is precisely these differences that are complicating efforts to understand the brain-wasting disorder, known medically as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE for short.

“It’s most important right now, till the science tells us otherwise, that we treat this as BSE regardless,” the Agriculture Department’s chief veterinarian, John Clifford, said in an interview.

The Texas and Alabama cases—confirmed last year and this one, respectively—are drawing international attention.

At a meeting in London last month, experts presented research on the U.S. cases and on similar ones in Europe.

These cows appear to have had an “atypical” strain that scientists are only now starting to identify. Such cases have been described in about a dozen cows in France, Italy and other European countries, as well as in Japan.

In the two U.S. cases, researchers did not detect the telltale spongy lesions caused by prions, the misfolded proteins that deposit plaque on the brain and kill brain cells. In addition, the prions in brain tissue samples from the Texas and Alabama cows seemed to be distributed differently from what would be expected to be found in cows with the classic form.

Laboratory studies on mice in France showed that both the classic and atypical strains could be spread from one animal to another. But scientists theorize the atypical strain might have infected cattle through an unusual way.

Mad cow disease is not transmitted from cow to cow like a cold or the flu. It is believed to spread through feed, when cows eat the contaminated tissue of other cattle. That happens when crushed cattle remains are added to feed as a protein source. This once-common practice ended in the United States in 1997.

Humans can get a related disease, variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, in similar fashion—by eating meat contaminated with mad cow. Mad cow in humans afflicts younger people; the average age at death is 28 years.

A more common form of CJD—not linked to mad cow—can happen spontaneously and is reported in nearly 300 people in the U.S. each year. This form occurs mostly in older people; the average age at death is 68.

Some scientists are raising the possibility that the atypical strain also might happen spontaneously in cattle. The Texas and Alabama cows were older animals, as were some of the other animals in Europe with seemingly atypical cases.

Linda Detwiler, a former Agriculture Department veterinarian who consults for major food companies, cautioned against making that assumption. “I think it’s kind of early to say that would be the case,” Detwiler said.

Other theories, she said, suggest the atypical strain might come from a mutation of mad cow disease or even from a related disease in sheep.

Mad cow disease has turned up three times in the United States:

in native-born animals in Texas and Alabama and in a Canadian import in Washington state.

In the Texas and Alabama cows, tests found patterns distinct from what turned up in an infected cow in Washington state and a cluster of Canadian cases, researchers say. The Washington and Canadian cases resemble the classic British cases.

No matter what the origins might be of an atypical strain, the government says there is no reason to change federal testing or measures that safeguard animals and people from the disease.

“We still feel confident in the safeguards that we have,” Clifford said. “We have to base our assumptions on what is scientifically known and understood.”

Meanwhile, mad cow research has been halted at the Agriculture Department’s lab in Ames, Iowa, because of employee allegations that the lab improperly was disposing of animal waste.

The department asked a group of international experts to review the lab’s disposal practices. The city of Ames also is investigating.

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I think this is USDA's scientific way of saying "we don't know our arse from a hole in the ground" concerning BSE....And if you've followed the comedy-tragedy of the USDA over the last few years you will see it fits to form........
 
frenchie":321ukdwu said:
Excuses excuses is that not what you said ?OT ..

You are correct frenchie-- And if USDA is as unknowing and uncertain on this that they have to come up with "spontaneous" as an excuse it makes you wonder if they were correct in dropping what their scientists previously called their #1 barrier against introducing and spreading BSE in the US, and for public health safety- the ban against importing beef or cattle from BSE nations... :???:

So much for "sound science" ;-) :lol:
 
Oldtimer":69zjyj04 said:
frenchie":69zjyj04 said:
Excuses excuses is that not what you said ?OT ..

You are correct frenchie-- And if USDA is as unknowing and uncertain on this that they have to come up with "spontaneous" as an excuse it makes you wonder if they were correct in dropping what their scientists previously called their #1 barrier against introducing and spreading BSE in the US, and for public health safety- the ban against importing beef or cattle from BSE nations... :???:

So much for "sound science" ;-) :lol:

Are you not yourself a B.S.E nation OT :?: :lol: Oh wait a minute your b.s.e is a better ..opps I meant your b.s is better ;-)
 
frenchie":2raszbhq said:
Oldtimer":2raszbhq said:
frenchie":2raszbhq said:
Excuses excuses is that not what you said ?OT ..

You are correct frenchie-- And if USDA is as unknowing and uncertain on this that they have to come up with "spontaneous" as an excuse it makes you wonder if they were correct in dropping what their scientists previously called their #1 barrier against introducing and spreading BSE in the US, and for public health safety- the ban against importing beef or cattle from BSE nations... :???:

So much for "sound science" ;-) :lol:

Are you not yourself a B.S.E nation OT :?: :lol: Oh wait a minute your b.s.e is a better ..opps I meant your b.s is better ;-)

Actually frenchie- the way "new" information keeps surfacing and USDA is left with egg on their face, I still think we should have left the 7 year moratorium on exporting on all countries....The US should not have imported any beef from Canada, Japan, or any other BSE countries- and we should not have pushed to export....Not until we get a better handle on what we're dealing with...Allow time for the ID system to develop, to implement M-COOL, to implement the tighter feedban safeguards, and to develop a much better knowledge of the disease and how its spread....

With Canadas increased risk, we have no idea how much of the Canadian strain we have imported into the US- that may not show up for years...On the same hand the US has no idea how much of this variant (spontaneous :???: ) strain they have sent back to Canada and to other exporting countries.....

Too much long researched policy was thrown out way too quickly in the name of economics when the Packers couldn't get access to their Canadian captive supply.....
 
Oldtimer":1jsl9od6 said:
With Canadas increased risk, we have no idea how much of the Canadian strain we have imported into the US- that may not show up for years...On the same hand the US has no idea how much of this variant (spontaneous :???: ) strain they have sent back to Canada and to other exporting countries.....

.....

You know what I think Ot.. that you bought that story hook line and sinker they fed you.I do not for one minute believe that there are 2 different strains here at all.I think its all bullshitt..
B.s.e is B.s.e .
 
frenchie":2l57izmn said:
Oldtimer":2l57izmn said:
With Canadas increased risk, we have no idea how much of the Canadian strain we have imported into the US- that may not show up for years...On the same hand the US has no idea how much of this variant (spontaneous :???: ) strain they have sent back to Canada and to other exporting countries.....

.....

You know what I think Ot.. that you bought that story hook line and sinker they fed you.I do not for one minute believe that there are 2 different strains here at all.I think its all bullshitt..
B.s.e is B.s.e .

frenchie- You may just be right since it was a scientist from France that discovered and first released this info-- Can never trust those Frenchies- eh ;-) :lol: :lol:
 
Oldtimer":13f435pk said:
frenchie":13f435pk said:
Oldtimer":13f435pk said:
With Canadas increased risk, we have no idea how much of the Canadian strain we have imported into the US- that may not show up for years...On the same hand the US has no idea how much of this variant (spontaneous :???: ) strain they have sent back to Canada and to other exporting countries.....

.....

You know what I think Ot.. that you bought that story hook line and sinker they fed you.I do not for one minute believe that there are 2 different strains here at all.I think its all bullshitt..
B.s.e is B.s.e .

frenchie- You may just be right since it was a scientist from France that discovered and first released this info-- Can never trust those Frenchies- eh ;-) :lol: :lol:

I don,t give a damm if it was J.C himself that discovered it OT..I don,t believe the American strain is any different than Canada strain..just like i don,t believe that you won,t have any post-ban cases in the U.S.Just who is it that you are trying to kid Ot
It is funny to hear you put your faith in some Towel head Arab French scientist.. :lol:
 
After this Alabama case I have been impressed with the way the goverment handled it. I personally know the herd it came from and some of the things the Gov. did to find out where it came from. The guy could have been any one of us. He wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. He bought this cow at a sale and did not know anything about her background. Whether she came from Canada, U.S., or the tooth fairy is anybodys guess.
 

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