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<blockquote data-quote="Commercialfarmer" data-source="post: 1123085" data-attributes="member: 14544"><p>Nothing wrong with a good discussion, I enjoy seeing the views of others. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm fairly wiped out from a long night at the moment. And secondly, I don't wish to be more than conversational myself. So I'll let what I said previously, be except clarify that Mosaic law was what I was referring to as to the origins of our current legal system; The 10 commandments and ancillary laws that supported these core values, along with creation of judges from among the members of the tribe to judge between members of the tribe, that had a hierarchical presence with Moses being the supreme court. Mosaic law predates the Greek empire. Christ fulfilled this pre-existing law. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Brother Ron, I would pose this for consideration: It is my view that man was created with free will. If man was not created with free will, then we would not know a true loving relationship with God. A slave to the owner of a house and a spouse may sleep under the same roof, but the relationships to the owner are very different. One has no choice. Secondly, but importantly, I believe that God originally created Earth and a paradise here on Earth for man to enjoy. It is only by the free will choice of man (Adam) to reject the command of God, that man was separated from this paradise. Since God cannot associate with sin, sinful man was separated from God and the course of the world was changed. It was then His plan to provide a means to re-establish a relationship with man. Thus He sent his Son. To re-establish this relationship requires that man, born into this sinful world with his free will, choose God and the means that He has provided for man to redeem himself. Man is not born into paradise now because of original sin's effects on the world, but man ultimately has the ability to chose for him/herself. Complete condemnation of early man would have been more than justified. What we have is a second chance. I'll leave it all at that. </p><p></p><p>By the way, I agree with you in regards to several TV evangelists- some are self motivational speakers at best (those that subscribe to new age thinking, which is contrary) and thieves of God at worst. I would not desire to be either or wish to waste my time on either. If you want a deep philosopher, the following guy would be someone more worth your time- <a href="http://www.rzim.org/" target="_blank">http://www.rzim.org/</a> You ultimately may not agree, but I bet you would at least appreciate his approach to thought.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Commercialfarmer, post: 1123085, member: 14544"] Nothing wrong with a good discussion, I enjoy seeing the views of others. I'm fairly wiped out from a long night at the moment. And secondly, I don't wish to be more than conversational myself. So I'll let what I said previously, be except clarify that Mosaic law was what I was referring to as to the origins of our current legal system; The 10 commandments and ancillary laws that supported these core values, along with creation of judges from among the members of the tribe to judge between members of the tribe, that had a hierarchical presence with Moses being the supreme court. Mosaic law predates the Greek empire. Christ fulfilled this pre-existing law. Brother Ron, I would pose this for consideration: It is my view that man was created with free will. If man was not created with free will, then we would not know a true loving relationship with God. A slave to the owner of a house and a spouse may sleep under the same roof, but the relationships to the owner are very different. One has no choice. Secondly, but importantly, I believe that God originally created Earth and a paradise here on Earth for man to enjoy. It is only by the free will choice of man (Adam) to reject the command of God, that man was separated from this paradise. Since God cannot associate with sin, sinful man was separated from God and the course of the world was changed. It was then His plan to provide a means to re-establish a relationship with man. Thus He sent his Son. To re-establish this relationship requires that man, born into this sinful world with his free will, choose God and the means that He has provided for man to redeem himself. Man is not born into paradise now because of original sin's effects on the world, but man ultimately has the ability to chose for him/herself. Complete condemnation of early man would have been more than justified. What we have is a second chance. I'll leave it all at that. By the way, I agree with you in regards to several TV evangelists- some are self motivational speakers at best (those that subscribe to new age thinking, which is contrary) and thieves of God at worst. I would not desire to be either or wish to waste my time on either. If you want a deep philosopher, the following guy would be someone more worth your time- [url]http://www.rzim.org/[/url] You ultimately may not agree, but I bet you would at least appreciate his approach to thought. [/QUOTE]
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