Please Criticize this Bull

[TxStateCowboy]

beefmaster, 1 year old out of a big red momma and big dun sire

let me know what ya'll think, is he a good beef sire prospect? (i'm running a budgeted commercial cow/calf operation)

 

[ALACOWMAN]

If you keep him for a herd sire you had better be on a budget cause you fixing too loose your behind i wont go into detail why i dont like him its pretty evident.

 

[dun]

I don;t usually get sucked into these kinds of deal, but it calls to mind the little old lady in the commercial "Where's the beef?"

dun

 

[Saltydawg]

I kinda like him.

Good looking head and pretty straight back. I think his muscles will catch up to him on good feed.

Nice color too .

Still consider myself a novice though so maybe some of the old timers will see something I don't.

 

[TxStateCowboy]

ok, thanks, pretty useless critics, but ah well.

 

[TxStateCowboy]

thanks saltydawg,( you posted as i wrote the last msg) he is definately skinny as the whole herd is hurtin' down here, they say there may be some drops of rain monday, we're all prayin'.

I just moved him from the herd of 80+ to the one of 30-40 head and he'll be getting a lot more to eat now.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

ok, thanks, pretty useless critics, but ah well.

I may be useless BOY but i got enough experiance and knowlegde too recognize a sorry bull will be more than happy to continue if needed

 

[novaman]

Nice looking bull. I also like his head. I think he will fill out nicely considering he's only a year old and in a drought area. I would certainly use him if I had him.

 

[TxStateCowboy]

Yep, the way things are we won't have any hay for next year, so it better rain

 

[TxStateCowboy]

ok, thanks, pretty useless critics, but ah well.

I may be useless BOY but i got enough experiance and knowlegde too recognize a sorry bull will be more than happy to continue if needed

Please do. That's why I posted his picture on here, if you couldn't clearly understand the title. I'm not showing him off, he's a product a of low-cost, money-making cattle operation.

Maybe i'd like to know what an experienced cattleman like yourself has to say about this bull. To point out small and large details that make him poor quality. I am not experienced in judging cattle-again-that's why I posted his picture.

That is all I want from you. If you don't want to criticize, don't say anything. Maybe some of that experience should have been delegated to reading, and possibly spelling.

 

[warpaint]

Let's all take a deep breath and calm down! As to the bull, it's really hard to judge from this pic., as you are planning to move him in with a smaller herd, let him put on some weight and re-submit pics then.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

your title says please criticize did it not hell a blind three year old could see his faults if it hurts your feeling im sorry. but if you want to keep him so be it.but if its a fight you want your at the right place.

 

[ollie']

ok, thanks, pretty useless critics, but ah well.

I may be useless BOY but i got enough experiance and knowlegde too recognize a sorry bull will be more than happy to continue if needed

Please do. That's why I posted his picture on here, if you couldn't clearly understand the title. I'm not showing him off, he's a product a of low-cost, money-making cattle operation.

Maybe i'd like to know what an experienced cattleman like yourself has to say about this bull. To point out small and large details that make him poor quality. I am not experienced in judging cattle-again-that's why I posted his picture.

That is all I want from you. If you don't want to criticize, don't say anything. Maybe some of that experience should have been delegated to reading, and possibly spelling.

If you don't mind me throwing my hat in the ring, I'll go over him once for you. I don't like the horns, they serve no purpose other than punch other cows in the ribs at the trough. I don't think for a year old bull he has enough masculinity through his neck.
He is very flat through his forerib indicated by his protuding chime bone. His top line sure looks meatless. He is short from hooks to pins and his pin bones fall off way too much. I also suspect his rump view from the back would fall off that way as well.No muscling in the front part of his low quarter and I would assume from overall appearence he is very light muscling from any angle. He is round boned in the back putting more pressure on the joint. He is high flanked, and high in the heartgirth. When I say there is nothing I like about him, I am being generous. I have castrated lots and lots of better bull prospects. Lastly he has a twisted face. His right eye is lower than his left. He is an inbred mongrel. I hope I have not been too general in my discription.

 

[TxStateCowboy]

Now that's more like it, thank's ollie, well appreciated.

 

[ollie']

Any time ole' buddie. :lol:

 

[Bullbuyer]

Ollie' told it about as straight as it can be told. I know you western guys really like those cattle with big ears, but that really stops me from looking any further at the bull. The horns and big ear combination REALLY end the analysis for me. Horns serve no purpose other than to lose you some money when you market calves, harm other cattle, or damage fence/equipment/ etc. Get the bull away from your cows and send him to ollie' to be castrated or send him my way - I'd say he's worth about $48/cwt.

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

Ollie - you done good!!! great description - although Dun covered it pretty well with "where's the beef?".
This bovine (not quality enough to be called a bull) will not do anything for your herd other than multiplying poor genes.
When I saw the pic, I thought "Oh know, this poor guy is in for it" - but it sounds like you really wanted an appraisal of him.
I guarantee I hesitate to post pics of GOOD cattle, we have some real critics - not unjust, but can be brutal - just good eye.
Sorry about your drought situation, but I don't think pounds will help him much. But, on the other hand, I do not have a like for light muscled breeds.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

Ollie - you done good!!! great description - although Dun covered it pretty well with "where's the beef?".
This bovine (not quality enough to be called a bull) will not do anything for your herd other than multiplying poor genes.
When I saw the pic, I thought "Oh know, this poor guy is in for it" - but it sounds like you really wanted an appraisal of him.
I guarantee I hesitate to post pics of GOOD cattle, we have some real critics - not unjust, but can be brutal - just good eye.
Sorry about your drought situation, but I don't think pounds will help him much. But, on the other hand, I do not have a like for light muscled breeds.

you know alot of the brutality comes from seeing a rookie making A mistake and trying to jolt them to reality. theres too many good genetics out there that can be had on a budget.if a person is on a budget you can still make good management decisions.i dont know many cattleman that aint on one.

 

[TxStateCowboy]

thanks for the input Jeanne.

and by the way, he is my father's bull-calf. My personal herd will soon be sired by a registered polled charolais. This "beef"master, like most of my dad's cattle, is of poor quality and my goal is to correct this over time. All of the cows with this bull are bred [to angus or limo], so theres no worry about his genes leaking into the herd.

for those who judged him thank you

 

[Gale Seddon]

My compliments, TxStateCowboy, you took all that like a real gentleman. Even though you asked for opinions, it's nice to know that there are people like you who can hold it all together in the face of some heavy-duty criticism. (I'd probably be looking for the box of Kleenex, LOL.)