Pinkeye or object in the eye?

[DavisBeefmasters]

Okay, a new mystery for us...

Ran the cows/calves/bulls through on Saturday, deworm, fly-treat, etc. and noticed on 2 of the calves they had really runny eyes

...upon an up close inspection, they each had about a 1/16" to 1/8" diameter cloudy white dome (circular) that strattled the edge of the color ring and onto the white part of the eye

...gloved up and inspected the eye socket for any kind of sticky weeds, burs, etc. and found nothing

...thought pinkeye would be cloudy in the center of the color ring over the pupil

...so I treated with LA-200 and they both seem somewhat better this morning, eyes still runny

...I kept them up in the pens nearest the barns in case I need to run them through and look at the eyes again

Any ideas?

 

[ALACOWMAN]

got all the symptoms of pink eye. sounds like your doing your doing right. take a few days to clear up but keep a check on them it can leave a permanent scar on the eye if let go to long

 

[NamVet_Farmer44]

pinkeye

 

[dun]

ith the white spot off center I lean towards IBR rather then pinkeye.

dun

 

[msscamp]

Any ideas?

Sounds like pink-eye.

 

[hillsdown]

ith the white spot off center I lean towards IBR rather then pinkeye.

dun

I can see the runny eye maybe linked but...?

So Dun how to treat especially for the new 2008 crop?This is for my own question not nessesarily for Davis's.What should pregnant cows be vaccinated with to prevent this IBR.
Thanks HD

 

[msscamp]

ith the white spot off center I lean towards IBR rather then pinkeye.

dun

Wouldn't IBR be both eyes, rather than just one? Maybe I've missed something, but I took the post to be just one eye? :?:

 

[NamVet_Farmer44]

ith the white spot off center I lean towards IBR rather then pinkeye.

dun

I've seen plenty of white spots from pinkeye that weren't in the center of the eye...most of the clouds from pinkeye that i've seen have started closer to the bottom of the pupil...and with red nose...nose should be running also, and if it's bad enough...it'd also be having a hard time breathing

 

[dun]

Standard viral vaccinations are about all you can do. Sometimes a weird strain or I guess mutation takes place that causes animals even those that have been fully vacinatted to get it. We had 2 heifers in 2 years that got it. Each time it was one eye and none of the others got it. The treatment that we used is not for the squeemish or shaky handed. I let the vet do it. A shot of antibiotic in the skin of the eyeball and it was cleared up within 12 hours. Doesn;t noww and didn;t then make sense that antibitoics would help with a virus. It was explained that the eye deal is just a manifestation of the virus and not the virus itself.

dun

 

[msscamp]

Thanks, dun.

 

[hillsdown]

Thank you Dun, but besides the runny and cloudy eye does the nose still get red and blister with the infected?I vaccinate for everything and that seems really similar to what I have seen in a couple of calves this year.One came out of his dam with a big white growth on his eye.I treated it with a shot of long lasting pen and squirted Special Formula in that eye every day for four days until I couldn't catch the little guy.His eye healed up fine but he still got the red blister nose.

 

[dun]

Thank you Dun, but besides the runny and cloudy eye does the nose still get red and blister with the infected?I vaccinate for everything and that seems really similar to what I have seen in a couple of calves this year.One came out of his dam with a big white growth on his eye.I treated it with a shot of long lasting pen and squirted Special Formula in that eye every day for four days until I couldn't catch the little guy.His eye healed up fine but he still got the red blister nose.

The redd runny nose is also a "manifestation" of IBR. As with a lot of things, you may have one or a whole pile of the things that you look for. The newborn with the white spot really makes me inclined to think IBR. Had you been using MLV or killed vaccines, just curious?

 

[Beefy]

red runny nose and cloudy, runny eye in a young calf is classic IBR symptoms, if the eye hasnt had any trauma to it (like poked with a stick or fence or something).

 

[ALACOWMAN]

Standard viral vaccinations are about all you can do. Sometimes a weird strain or I guess mutation takes place that causes animals even those that have been fully vacinatted to get it. We had 2 heifers in 2 years that got it. Each time it was one eye and none of the others got it. The treatment that we used is not for the squeemish or shaky handed. I let the vet do it. A shot of antibiotic in the skin of the eyeball and it was cleared up within 12 hours. Doesn;t noww and didn;t then make sense that antibitoics would help with a virus. It was explained that the eye deal is just a manifestation of the virus and not the virus itself.

dun

ive given a couple cc"s of LA200 in the third eyelid before with good results. but it take restraint and give it sub Q

 

[dun]

ive given a couple cc"s of LA200 in the third eyelid before with good results. but it take restraint and give it sub Q

The eyelid is no big deal, its that skin in the eyeball that I can;t/won;t do. The eyelid deal is how we treated eye infections caused by star thistles getting in the eye. We would squirt numbsit (don;t recall exactly what it was, in the eye, run a finger around the eyeball and clean out all of the material that was collected inside the socket, then give the shot in the tissue.

dun

 

[DavisBeefmasters]

Thanks all...

We vaccinated all of 'em (8-way, tetanus, etc. the whole works that our vet orders up -- with all the booster shots 4 weeks later) and only have a problem with 2 calves and it is in fact only in 1 eye on each of them

No runny nose, cough, temperature, and the off center of the eye was the thing that was having us guess...

As of this morning 1 has completely resolved itself and 1 is still a little watery and will run that one through to give it another dose and take a closer look again.

Thanks.

 

[hillsdown]

Thank you Dun, but besides the runny and cloudy eye does the nose still get red and blister with the infected?I vaccinate for everything and that seems really similar to what I have seen in a couple of calves this year.One came out of his dam with a big white growth on his eye.I treated it with a shot of long lasting pen and squirted Special Formula in that eye every day for four days until I couldn't catch the little guy.His eye healed up fine but he still got the red blister nose.

The redd runny nose is also a "manifestation" of IBR. As with a lot of things, you may have one or a whole pile of the things that you look for. The newborn with the white spot really makes me inclined to think IBR. Had you been using MLV or killed vaccines, just curious?

I guess I don't ask my vet enough questions.I just say can we vaccinate while we preg check and that's what we do.I am assuming that since they were in calf and around 5-6 months at that time that more than likely it wasn't a live vaccine.However all the heifers that calved had had a strict vaccination protocal since birth so I thought their calves should pop out all really healthy.Is the live vaccine better than killed?And since my cows are all in calf again as I like to calve in Jan and Feb what should I give them for next year?90% of my heifers are going to be AI'd this weekend is it to late to give them something before they are in calf?Also we are vaccinating calves thurs. with 8way, resvac4/somubac and one shot past.
Thank you HD

Sorry Davis for taking over your thread.

 

[milkmaid]

The Select Sires folks advocate vaccinating no closer than 4 weeks prior to breeding, due to the fact the body temperature raises after vaccinations, and can cause early embryonic death.

IMO the MLV is better than the killed, as it provides better protection, but there's JMO...

I use MLV on everything open, killed vaccine on the bred cows/heifers.

 

[DavisBeefmasters]

No problem hillsdown... I'm enjoying reading the thread's discussion...

My vet prefers MLV vaccines and that is what we use once we get one acclimated to our vaccination program... the only killed we use is for those that were in calf or nursing when they get here

I especially like the MLV vaccine for anaplasmosis... give it 1 time and we're done... but you can't give it to any animal over 14 months of age... so those we boost every year

Interesting thread... I always enjoy reading from the "regulars" on this board -- it's always good learning for me or gives me questions to ask the vet if/when he comes out next...