Pics ( bull and heifers)

[JHH]

Here Aaron you can tear mine apart they have some of the same faults.

Bull after breeding 25 cows on short pasture. He is a 320N Cooper son out of a Holden donor dam.He will turn two at the end of march

Some heifers I bought from Middlecreek ranch Tom does a good job.

An old cow with her first heifer calf ( Doc's old molly cow that he doenst like )

 

[Hereford76]

did u raise that L1 bull?

he looks familair :roll:

 

[novaman]

Where's the muscle on the bull? As I said on Aaron's thread, my Holsteins have more of a rump.

 

[bigbull338]

he is a good looking bull.but he needs some weight on him.those are some fine looking heifers you bought.that old cow is doing her job raising calves.

 

[JHH]

did u raise that L1 bull?

he looks familair :roll:

No I bought him. He is thin right now. but he will get in better condition now that he isnt out with the cows.

He isnt even two yet.

 

[JHH]

Where's the muscle on the bull? As I said on Aaron's thread, my Holsteins have more of a rump.

Here Aaron you can tear mine apart they have some of the same faults.

That is what I said

 

[JHH]

Here is the bull when I got him.

 

[Hereford76]

care to share how much you paid for him?

hope you aren't offended by my comments, I can't help myself - but what happened to all the expensive feed that went into him and those consistent genetics?

he is young still. is that the first holden/cooper bull you've owned in the flesh. the reason i ask is cause he ain't gonna come out of it. he's toast - you can see it everywhere, especially his head.

i said the bull looks familair cause i've seen countless bulls his same age from the same place that looks so much like him - but those L1's are consistent. :lol:

sorry in advance
merry christmas by the way

 

[JHH]

care to share how much you paid for him?

hope you aren't offended by my comments, I can't help myself - but what happened to all the expensive feed that went into him and those consistent genetics?

he is young still. is that the first holden/cooper bull you've owned in the flesh. the reason i ask is cause he ain't gonna come out of it. he's toast - you can see it everywhere, especially his head.

i said the bull looks familair cause i've seen countless bulls his same age from the same place that looks so much like him - but those L1's are consistent. :lol:

sorry in advance
merry christmas by the way

Yes it is the first bull Holden/Cooper bull I have owned. I think you are right. What has happened to the genetics? Tell me were you can find a 15month old bull that will breed 25-30 cows on fescue ( bad fescue at that) and gain weight and come in looking fat. I have tried several bulls ( most L1) but a few others that I seen dad get and none of them can cut it on my place. Reason= I work in town I dont grain them at all and they see me on weekends and about twice a week in the dark right now. They get hay and mineral and pasture in the summer. I am not offended in any way I posted him because he looks very similar to Aarons bull but I think Aarons may be the better bull because he was not fluffed and puffed.

Do you have a bull that will look good at my place with nothing but pasture that has not been taken care of in 25 years ( That means nothing except some cows on it to keep the brush down not even fertilizer) I have seen and owned the fluffed and puffed bulls and I am looking to A-I to something that will cut it here. So you have a suggestion? I would be inclined to try it. My operation is changing a little as grandma is in the nursing home and mom agrees we need to do something to try and improve the ground. We will be starting that this spring also.While we are improving all the time it is still a struggle to get things like I would like them. It takes a long time to turn 25 years of neglect into something nice. I am NOT defending the bull or his genetics.

So SUGGETIONS PLEASE

 

[Hereford76]

JHH - i wouldn't get too worried yet. i haven't the slightest clue about the breeding behind your bull but those genetics have worked for lots of guys in your country and all over. the biggest problem is how he was developed and good luck being "made right" on that bull from the outfit you bought him from. Those bulls just get pushed too hard - burn their livers and are lucky to live yet come out of it. I don't necessarily agree with those programs but at the same time its hard to knock them and my beef is mostly over how they are run not the genetic merits. I think there are all kinds of hereford breeders that can provide you with what you are looking for and you might have already got it in that bull. Maybe he'll sire some dandy calves that are developed your way and a son that is exactly what you need. I don't mean to get you down and i'm not trying to make a sale - just trying to make a point.

is still a struggle to get things like I would like them

i think it is always a struggle or if it wasn't would it be that fun?

 

[Aaron]

I liked that 866 bull when you bought him. Although he looks like crap now, I am not going to say he is junk. I don't know what your feeding him and likely it isn't as great as what the previous owners fed. My biggest concern is what is the do-ability of his female offspring going to be like. Might have some great sets of steers, but what about long-term production in the daughters?

Remember this. Told this many times by my neighbour who was a good friend with the owners of Klondike Ltd. Billy Biglieni was the herdsman at the time and he told my neighbour, "Never forget that when you buy an animal from any purebred operation focused on the showring, it looks as good as it ever will. You'll never be able to feed it profitably to the same extent we do for show."

My focus has always been the opposite, to raise rough looking bulls that get out and do their job and turn into some good looking herdsires, based on the simple fact that my customers feed their cattle a lot better than I do my own. For as long as I have been doing this, it has never failed me. :cowboy:

 

[Australian]

Can some one post some very good Herefords? I've posted some in the past. But how about some Canadian and US ones. I did see some posted by a person from Colorado that were very good.

 

[CPL]

Can some one post some very good Herefords? I've posted some in the past. But how about some Canadian and US ones. I did see some posted by a person from Colorado that were very good.

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[Brandonm22]

If you have real toxic fescue.....a lot of times it is better to buy bulls from somebody who is grazing the same Kentucky 31 stuff you are. I don't know how much of a genetic component is involved with toxicosis tolerance; but clearly there are some cattle that thrive on the stuff and some that don't.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

It will take at least one year to get a cow or a bull not raised on fescue to adjust to it if they ever do.

 

[Northern Rancher]

Ok I'll do some unabashed self promotion-F-R 552 Lad 20P from Genex-his cattle work on grass. Try bale grazing that tired pasture-it works wonders up here.

 

[SRBeef]

Can some one post some very good Herefords? I've posted some in the past. But how about some Canadian and US ones. I did see some posted by a person from Colorado that were very good.

Australian,

I am probably the least experienced Hereford guy on the board here but I feel I have a bull that does extremely well on GRASS_ONLY (edit/correction for 9 months out of the year in a northern US environment.

Is he a "MEAT WAGON"? No, probably not. Does he get any grain? Not at all through from March through November when he goes to grazing corn. (Just maybe 2 pounds of gentling sweet treat feed every week or two, not significant nutrition.)

Is he a calving-ease, very good-disposition bull who has sired a bunch of healthy, well built, fast growing calves that do well on mama's milk with no creep and in quite a cold weather area of the US? Most definitely yes.

Am I happy with him? It is hard for me to picture a better bull for my needs.

Here are some pictures of my bull from October before he went to grazing corn. He has been on grass and bred my and my neighbors cows and heifers. Also another photo from early Dec after about 2 weeks of grazing corn intermittently.

Oct 24 - T-21 on grass - no grain since last on stalks last March

Oct 17th & 24th - a couple of T-21 calves, no creep

Dec 6 T-21 Grazing the last of the green grass

As I said above, I am no Hereford or bull expert but I am very pleased with my bull. The proof of the pudding is in his calves. His EPD's have stayed high into Spring 2010 even though I don't register any calves and he seems to be exactly as described by his EPD's.

I appreciate and respect the comments of others here such as Knersie about the muscle structure etc. My bull may not be up to the standards of his, especially given his veld conditions, of his appearance. He certainly looks nothing like the Uruguay bulls either.

However my bull basically feeds himself. (It's hard for me to find a picture with his head up - He's always grazing!) He throws very good calves, even out of less than special cows and heifers. His calves about fell out of the back of even my heifers this past spring. I look at T-21 as maybe a different type of American Hereford bull. He meets my needs and his calves keep looking better every day. jmho.

Jim

 

[Australian]

thanks they 're better types with decent eye pigmentation. i reckon you probably know what you are doing. they are good cattle. a decent sire produces good cattle.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

SRbeef corn is corn.

 

[novatech]

SRbeef corn is corn.

I believe the bull pictured is clear evidence that he can make it quit well on a grass environment. The fact that he is turned into a corn field has nothing to do with wither he can make it or not. In another environment where grass or stockpile forage was available he would do just as well. Why would you think that just because the owner made corn available it would lessen the quality of the bull? If in fact that is what you are implying. The only time that is important is when you market grass fed beef. Other than that I see it as more a decission made, by the producer, for econimic reasons.