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<blockquote data-quote="SEC" data-source="post: 229425" data-attributes="member: 3241"><p>I think the holistic approach to raising cattle is fine. What I don't like about "cult" members is that make it seem if you feed your cow hay she is getting free ride.</p><p></p><p>There are lots of reasons why people manage cattle the way they do.</p><p></p><p>I do know this much though, if you take a set of cows and cull for specific traits, manage them all the same. They will eventually fit your environment. If those cows start out at 1800lbs and they live in shortgrass, dry country the good ones are those that calve and breed early, from that is where I think the replacement heifers come from. That is one way of selecting for fertility. Those cows that can't cut the mustard will fall by the wayside and over the course of time, the herds mature size will adjust according to the environment.</p><p></p><p>Likewise the other way, if you take a group of 1100 lb cows and allow them to flourish with good forage they will become heavier cows. If they get short of feed through part of the year, their mature weight will be held back. I have found this with Montana cattle. We had a Traveler 561 daughter from GDAR and she would have weighed 1500lbs and yet in Montana, the grass and surrounding would never let her get that way. We have 2 cows from Hinman's and they would outweigh their Montana herdmates hands down, no help on our part.</p><p></p><p>As I have stated before, if a cow is a 5 frame cow but weighs 1500lbs....should she be culled because her environment has allowed her to become that way. The frame 3 and 4 cows at Ohlde's that weigh 12-1400, that sounds pretty heavy for moderate framed cows. i do believe this, but I am not certain we should always discredit an animal due to weight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SEC, post: 229425, member: 3241"] I think the holistic approach to raising cattle is fine. What I don't like about "cult" members is that make it seem if you feed your cow hay she is getting free ride. There are lots of reasons why people manage cattle the way they do. I do know this much though, if you take a set of cows and cull for specific traits, manage them all the same. They will eventually fit your environment. If those cows start out at 1800lbs and they live in shortgrass, dry country the good ones are those that calve and breed early, from that is where I think the replacement heifers come from. That is one way of selecting for fertility. Those cows that can't cut the mustard will fall by the wayside and over the course of time, the herds mature size will adjust according to the environment. Likewise the other way, if you take a group of 1100 lb cows and allow them to flourish with good forage they will become heavier cows. If they get short of feed through part of the year, their mature weight will be held back. I have found this with Montana cattle. We had a Traveler 561 daughter from GDAR and she would have weighed 1500lbs and yet in Montana, the grass and surrounding would never let her get that way. We have 2 cows from Hinman's and they would outweigh their Montana herdmates hands down, no help on our part. As I have stated before, if a cow is a 5 frame cow but weighs 1500lbs....should she be culled because her environment has allowed her to become that way. The frame 3 and 4 cows at Ohlde's that weigh 12-1400, that sounds pretty heavy for moderate framed cows. i do believe this, but I am not certain we should always discredit an animal due to weight. [/QUOTE]
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