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<blockquote data-quote="Bez" data-source="post: 63239" data-attributes="member: 412"><p>medic24</p><p></p><p>We do both.</p><p></p><p>On our place we use Estrumate. I am a bit particular as to who handles this drug - none of the ladies here are allowed to touch it as there is a possibility of absorption through the skin in event of a spill.</p><p></p><p>We round up the girls we want to AI. We run them through the chute and give them shot #1. Then we turn them out and start watching. As soon as we see them bulling we put the selectee in the chute for her breeding. We generally catch about 20% ready to breed on the first needle. </p><p></p><p>Then we run the rest through the chute in - I think it is ten days - have to check the bottle for the directions - and give those who have not cycled their second shot. </p><p></p><p>Then we start watching again. Almost always the second shot gets the remainder cycling within a day or two. We AI them as they show ready and turn them all out onto pasture.</p><p></p><p>Whatever is left over gets run in the chute and mass bred on day three after the second shot.</p><p></p><p>Note: Wife and I discussed this but cannot remeber the exact times - we have no Estrumate in the house at present.</p><p></p><p>So .... One shot - catch those showing heat and breed. Second shot - catch and breed - some time later - as per drug directions - mass breed those you have not yet bred. It's quite easy if you follow the directions.</p><p></p><p>Two weeks later we turn the bull in to catch those who the tech missed. We generally run around 70 - 80% catch on AI. The bull gets the rest.</p><p></p><p>We always run a black bull in with the AI group - that way we know who is who in the zoo.</p><p></p><p>As for keeping a bull?</p><p></p><p>Well, we probably all know someone who has one - and yet does not need one. For a few cows you could try a neighbour, or a friend with one you might like.</p><p></p><p>As well, one must remember - there is always one animal that does not want to seem to AI successfully. For some reason the bull never seems to have a problem with that success - volume of semen perhaps? Or does he just "know" when the time is right?</p><p></p><p>12 cows is a tough number - I figure 15 - 20 minimum to justify the cost of purchase. Rent from a breeder? Some might do this - but usually you have to "hit them in the mood".</p><p></p><p>Tech charges us 14 bucks to visit - seems like he is always here when we are breeding. Best day we had last year was 4 cows ready at the same time.</p><p></p><p>I am sure there are a bunch of questins - and I know I do not have all the answers - but I would be sure to ask around the country if I were you. One thing - if you do rent or borrow a bull - make darned sure it is healthy - never hurts to have it vet checked before you take it home and quarantine it prior to letting him have his fun. It might keep you from loosing some calves.</p><p></p><p>Best regards</p><p></p><p>Bez</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bez, post: 63239, member: 412"] medic24 We do both. On our place we use Estrumate. I am a bit particular as to who handles this drug - none of the ladies here are allowed to touch it as there is a possibility of absorption through the skin in event of a spill. We round up the girls we want to AI. We run them through the chute and give them shot #1. Then we turn them out and start watching. As soon as we see them bulling we put the selectee in the chute for her breeding. We generally catch about 20% ready to breed on the first needle. Then we run the rest through the chute in - I think it is ten days - have to check the bottle for the directions - and give those who have not cycled their second shot. Then we start watching again. Almost always the second shot gets the remainder cycling within a day or two. We AI them as they show ready and turn them all out onto pasture. Whatever is left over gets run in the chute and mass bred on day three after the second shot. Note: Wife and I discussed this but cannot remeber the exact times - we have no Estrumate in the house at present. So .... One shot - catch those showing heat and breed. Second shot - catch and breed - some time later - as per drug directions - mass breed those you have not yet bred. It's quite easy if you follow the directions. Two weeks later we turn the bull in to catch those who the tech missed. We generally run around 70 - 80% catch on AI. The bull gets the rest. We always run a black bull in with the AI group - that way we know who is who in the zoo. As for keeping a bull? Well, we probably all know someone who has one - and yet does not need one. For a few cows you could try a neighbour, or a friend with one you might like. As well, one must remember - there is always one animal that does not want to seem to AI successfully. For some reason the bull never seems to have a problem with that success - volume of semen perhaps? Or does he just "know" when the time is right? 12 cows is a tough number - I figure 15 - 20 minimum to justify the cost of purchase. Rent from a breeder? Some might do this - but usually you have to "hit them in the mood". Tech charges us 14 bucks to visit - seems like he is always here when we are breeding. Best day we had last year was 4 cows ready at the same time. I am sure there are a bunch of questins - and I know I do not have all the answers - but I would be sure to ask around the country if I were you. One thing - if you do rent or borrow a bull - make darned sure it is healthy - never hurts to have it vet checked before you take it home and quarantine it prior to letting him have his fun. It might keep you from loosing some calves. Best regards Bez [/QUOTE]
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