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<blockquote data-quote="DOC HARRIS" data-source="post: 201353" data-attributes="member: 1683"><p>We all have opinions on livestock and seedstock! That is a given fact. Opinions on this post have been offered relating to B/R New Design 036 and also Hoff First Edition 058 242, expressing a negative judgment on each bull. An opinion is just what it says it is - an opinion. But to truly speak in an authoritative manner with conviction and validity, there should be justification for the criticism and disapproval. </p><p></p><p>There are those who demean 036 - perhaps for legitimate reason(s), however - he is the sire of many excellent individuals, Bon View New Design 1407 being one of the better known currently.....and one MUST also consider the Dam of the progeny whose sire is being judged, for her EPD's are 50% of the Genetic determination of their respective offspring.</p><p></p><p>That being said - we now are right back to the unfortunate bull that kiku_fs presented to us for our somewhat acrid comments! No one - to my knowledge - has inquired as to who the DAM of that "Funnel-Butt" bull is! She had as much input determining his poor phenotype and probable negative genetic potential as did 036 - maybe more - but she is not mentioned! In optimal bull selection, the subject Bull's DAM should <strong><em>ALWAYS</em></strong> be considered if Replacement heifers (or Herd Bull Prospects) are to be used as seedstock. </p><p></p><p>I am at a loss to understand why Daybreak came down so hard on Hoff First Edition 058 242. I am not aware of any of his progeny displaying negatives at this time, and again, if such is the case, the Dams should be perused carefully to accurately pin-point whatever Phenotype or Genotype problems may exist in conjunction with the Sire in question - - rather than to bad-mouth the individual with no accompanying justification.</p><p></p><p>In short - in breeding - as in dancing - it takes two to Tango, and ALL the participants need to be considered in the contest!</p><p></p><p>DOC HARRIS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DOC HARRIS, post: 201353, member: 1683"] We all have opinions on livestock and seedstock! That is a given fact. Opinions on this post have been offered relating to B/R New Design 036 and also Hoff First Edition 058 242, expressing a negative judgment on each bull. An opinion is just what it says it is - an opinion. But to truly speak in an authoritative manner with conviction and validity, there should be justification for the criticism and disapproval. There are those who demean 036 - perhaps for legitimate reason(s), however - he is the sire of many excellent individuals, Bon View New Design 1407 being one of the better known currently.....and one MUST also consider the Dam of the progeny whose sire is being judged, for her EPD's are 50% of the Genetic determination of their respective offspring. That being said - we now are right back to the unfortunate bull that kiku_fs presented to us for our somewhat acrid comments! No one - to my knowledge - has inquired as to who the DAM of that "Funnel-Butt" bull is! She had as much input determining his poor phenotype and probable negative genetic potential as did 036 - maybe more - but she is not mentioned! In optimal bull selection, the subject Bull's DAM should [b][i]ALWAYS[/i][/b] be considered if Replacement heifers (or Herd Bull Prospects) are to be used as seedstock. I am at a loss to understand why Daybreak came down so hard on Hoff First Edition 058 242. I am not aware of any of his progeny displaying negatives at this time, and again, if such is the case, the Dams should be perused carefully to accurately pin-point whatever Phenotype or Genotype problems may exist in conjunction with the Sire in question - - rather than to bad-mouth the individual with no accompanying justification. In short - in breeding - as in dancing - it takes two to Tango, and ALL the participants need to be considered in the contest! DOC HARRIS [/QUOTE]
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